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THE FORMAT/TWISTS
Topic Started: Mar 24 2013, 05:20 PM (234 Views)
Kevin Campbell
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The Format is Big Brother since it'll likely be the only BB game I host this year :(

TWISTS
Alternating Rounds: 1 round the HOH will nominate THREE people, the next? Just TWO people. But that's not at all. Every other round until the ~F7~ the HOH winner will be ANONYMOUS (that HOH will nominate players in secret rather than in public)

Each comes with special pros and cons!

Public HOH: can make moves in public and build their resume <3 but they cannot compete in back to back HOH competitions.

Anonymous HOH: has to hide ~behind~ the anonymous shit... they must NOT reveal to anyone that they were HOH. Also they CAN compete in back to back HOH competitions!

PAIRS
There are 8 men and 8 women! Which means EIGHT pairs will be in the game.

IF A pair is nominated in public round (just two nominees) should one of them win veto... both come off the block and replace any two players of their choice.... in which case it will be known that THEY are a pair. It's like a puzzle slowly coming together <3

If a pair is nominated in a ANONYMOUS HOH round (just three nominees) the third wheel will automatically be eliminated. This will only happen once obviously.

The pair twist ends at F7 or so. Thoughts?
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I like it. These are actually twists I can get into.

About the anonymous HOH I think they should have the right to reveal they are HOH if they want?

It will work as a way for them to backstab secretly or be open about it.
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Alright, here are my immediate thoughts.

Things I really like:
Having an anonymous HoH...that could be really fun but may make it a little biased towards the challenge whores. I still think it's a great idea.
The secret pairs...another really creative idea. Having them name a replacement nominee if one wins veto could be overkill, but I also like it because it gives them a big incentive to stick together.

Things I think should be tweaked:
There is a lot of alternating in general. Switching between public/private HoH and nominating two or three people (the latter in general I think is overkill) could be messy. Also that would essentially make it so that every public HoH nominates three and every private HoH nominates two.
I also don't really like the idea of automatically sending someone home if a pair is nominated in a three person round. I think that could easily get exploited if an ally of a known pair nominates the pair alongside a challenge whore/enemy.

If you want to add another little incentive for pairs to stick together you can do something like the last pair standing gets a three round nomination pass or even something more powerful like a DPOV or Coup.

In general there's a lot that I like here, and if you go with some combo of what you have then it should work out really well.
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Kevin Campbell,Mar 24 2013
10:20 PM

If a pair is nominated in a ANONYMOUS HOH round (just three nominees) the third wheel will automatically be eliminated. This will only happen once obviously.

After thinking about it, it's unfair to have the odd person out go home w/o having the chance to save themselves so there will be a veto. If he or she wins, then one of the pair goes. IF he or she loses? The pairs will come off the block and that person will go home.

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There is a lot of alternating in general. Switching between public/private HoH and nominating two or three people (the latter in general I think is overkill) could be messy.

Honestly after Rugrats, I welcome messy! I want a clusterfuck. I live for them :wub: FTR private nominates just THREE while Public nominates TWO.
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Kevin Campbell,Mar 24 2013
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Kevin Campbell,Mar 24 2013
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If a pair is nominated in a ANONYMOUS HOH round (just three nominees) the third wheel will automatically be eliminated. This will only happen once obviously.

After thinking about it, it's unfair to have the odd person out go home w/o having the chance to save themselves so there will be a veto. If he or she wins, then one of the pair goes. IF he or she loses? The pairs will come off the block and that person will go home.

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There is a lot of alternating in general. Switching between public/private HoH and nominating two or three people (the latter in general I think is overkill) could be messy.

Honestly after Rugrats, I welcome messy! I want a clusterfuck. I live for them :wub: FTR private nominates just THREE while Public nominates TWO.

I agree, plus when pairs are figured out, HoHs can do an auto-elimination easily.

Also, :alien at messy formats
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I love it :wub: It's unique and fun but not overly complicated. Avoid challenge whoring by alternating luck challenges with skill challenges?
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I don't mind the idea of the anon-HoH at all, but ok.

1. It's already restricted to people that are online when the challenge is, so you can already write off people that are the HoH anyway.

2. Every other round's HoH would have to be done in confessional I guess? I suppose that restricts the challenge types in terms of the anon rounds, but probably doesn't matter since you can do shit like musical chairs or the tile game for the public rounds and have stuff not dependent on other participants for anon.

3. So you can go Anon - normal, but not normal - anon? That's weird, but whatever. Though if you have say a word search for a public round, you could just have the outgoing HoH throw it, but you can't if it's something like chairs, tiles, or battleshit.

Also, as Cyndi said:

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There is a lot of alternating in general. Switching between public/private HoH and nominating two or three people (the latter in general I think is overkill) could be messy. Also that would essentially make it so that every public HoH nominates three and every private HoH nominates two.

I think it might be more interesting to see those mixed up, so they're not a set schedule. So maybe have the anon-public alternate, but don't have the # of noms alternate perfectly. Or vice-versa.
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At first I thought the anon-HOH would be a stupid idea, since the public actions are what I think makes BB great, but after thinking it through I actually think it's clever. It can hopefully force people to not be pussies and go after trets, plus paranoia is always fun. Although screening PMs might be a headache, since secrets need to be ~secrets~. Also a question that came to mind is when they can reveal that it was their HOH? Never? Or is there like an "expiration date"? So for example Cyndi wins anon-HOH, nominates Keesha and Amber; when can she reveal that it was her who nominated Keesha and Amber? Not until she's out or until FTC?

I also think it'd be cool if you didn't alternate between rounds, but rather have a cardpicking of some sorts before the round.

I'm not a fan of the pairs tbh. At least not in their current form. Maybe that's just me but I like when in a "secret group" you can choose to either stick together or not. Plus you just know that three pairs will come together to form a sixsome and ride that as long as they can -_-
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Yeah, I'm with Cookie on that about card picking. You could do it either like BW4 where outgoing winner selects the next one either in public or in confessional, or even let it go to a vote. Definitely better to make it the decider between 2/3 noms than anon/public, because otherwise that could throw off which challenges can be used each round, rather than having a set pattern.
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Card picking ftmfw!
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Cyndi Lauper
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I like card picking!

Also you could definitely do enough challenges in confessionals for the anon-HoH comps, so don't worry about that. And if there's a challenge that you want to use that can't be done in a confessional (like the tile game or musical chairs) then just do it in a public HoH round or make them POV comps.

I think it could also be a fun twist if the Anon-HoHs were not allowed to compete in in POVs. I assume POVs will just be the HoH/noms and three other people, but for anon-HoH rounds you could do just the noms and four other people.

I'm also still not a huge fan of the third person being auto-evicted if a pair is nom'd...even after POV. I think it could still get exploited (although less easily), and it isn't really fair to send someone home without the chance to survive a vote.
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Cyndi Lauper,Mar 25 2013
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I think it could also be a fun twist if the Anon-HoHs were not allowed to compete in in POVs. I assume POVs will just be the HoH/noms and three other people, but for anon-HoH rounds you could do just the noms and four other people.

This actually remindsof something: with having different type of HOHs, will you also going to have different types of vetos? Because with the three-nominee system you've never had more than the actual three nominees fighting for the POV :unsure:
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Cookie,Mar 25 2013
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Also a question that came to mind is when they can reveal that it was their HOH? Never? Or is there like an "expiration date"? So for example Cyndi wins anon-HOH, nominates Keesha and Amber; when can she reveal that it was her who nominated Keesha and Amber? Not until she's out or until FTC?

I also think it'd be cool if you didn't alternate between rounds, but rather have a cardpicking of some sorts before the round.

I'm not a fan of the pairs tbh. At least not in their current form. Maybe that's just me but I like when in a "secret group" you can choose to either stick together or not. Plus you just know that three pairs will come together to form a sixsome and ride that as long as they can -_-

I'm hoping they won't reveal they were HOH while in the game but idc if they do once eliminated/FTC. We may need a strict rule telling them they absolutely CANNOT reveal they were HOH otherwise what's the point? <_<

The reason I want to alternate rounds is because each "round" has their own set of rules. For example the two nominee thing works better in a public round, not anon. I mean suppose the pair nominates the ANONYMOUS HOH as their replacement? What happens then? The point is to keep them hidden :lol:

I mean I'm pretty sure their will be interesting dynamics within the pairs. Think BB9. We may end up with a Sheila/Adam type pair :fanz this format doesn't necessarily allow a group to steamroll. :unsure:
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Cyndi Lauper,Mar 25 2013
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I like card picking!

I think it could also be a fun twist if the Anon-HoHs were not allowed to compete in in POVs. I assume POVs will just be the HoH/noms and three other people, but for anon-HoH rounds you could do just the noms and four other people.

I'm also still not a huge fan of the third person being auto-evicted if a pair is nom'd...even after POV. I think it could still get exploited (although less easily), and it isn't really fair to send someone home without the chance to survive a vote.

I might do cards!! :P

Anon HOH will not compete in POV, only the three nominees. Just like in my past BB games.

Public HOH will compete in POV (along w/ two nominees and first three to sign in) like I said, each set of HOH/rounds have their own rules. It's like two Big Brother games going on at once :D

They will have the opportunity to save themselves though, it's not like they'll get auto eliminated without a fighting chance. This only happens once (who knows it might NEVER happen) but that's the twist for you.
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This seems more of a mess now though.

If you go with this, then anon HoH can nominate partners against a third and they have a 2/3 chance to win veto and auto-elim unless that was written off and there would be one (or two) replacements.

If that is so, then you probably ought to do the card pick before the round so you know what type and announce it at sign-ins, so if you have to flip the R4 challenge to R3 (or just have "Anon HoH1, 2, 3, etc").

But, since Anon HoH has no restrictions, if there are 4 or 5 anon rounds before the twist expires, then someone could potentially win 4 or 5 in a row?
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I like the anon concept. I think we should alternate between public and anon, but not the triple nom concept? Auto elimination is never ever a good idea, and if you have anon = 3 nominees or anon = 2 nominees then it's not going to pan out well in my mind.

I think the eliminated player should choose the card as to whether it's anon or not. You can alternate 3 and 2 but the cards choose anon or public. And if the eliminated player doesn't choose then let the loser's lodge or something silly.

So far as when you can make it public... I say the public/ anon expires at maybe F8, and at that point you can reveal whatever you want. It's still time for people to lie and shake it up ya know.
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I think the eliminated player should choose the card as to whether it's anon or not.


That's not a bad idea. However, I still keep my reservations about cards being chosen for anon/public just because it screws with the dynamic of anon can be public hoh the next time.

But, what happens when some inactivecunt no-shows their boot and isn't around til next round?

Also, I think some have brought it up and not sure if you amended, but not sure why to force them to not say they were HoH. What does that gain anyway?
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Yeah the back-to-back thing throws it all out of whack. I say that regardless of anon/public that everyone CAN be back-to-back HOHs. Just shake up the challenges and don't let them all be speed-based. In my game Kate was considered a challenge threat for goodness sake, just have challenges that don't favor challenge whores and we should be fine.

If people are allowed to say they were HOH it screws with the concept of anon in my mind. If you're allowed to say, people will be pressured to say it was them, people will come up with ways of saying it was/ wasn't them... I say if you want anon HOHs that you make rules that they aren't allowed to say at all.
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K there's no dialogue over this but I've been thinking about it and here's what I think.

- There CAN be back-to-back HOH's regardless of the format. This negates the necessity of having people throw, it doesn't deal with issues re: the anon/ public HOHs, and so long as speed-based comps are alternated no one should complain about this being a game for challenge whores.

- Pairs should exist, yes. If a partner wins POV then it's good for them and their partner regardless of the format. Which means that if it's a 2nom round and Player A is nominated alongside a non-partner, if they win POV they come off and their partner is safe... but it's only revealed if the HOH tries to nom the partner. So winning POV isn't a penalty of revealing your partner unless the HOH happens to have it out for your pair. And if it's a 3nom round and a pair is nominated and wins POV then there should be two new nominees. Unless you want this to work so there are just two ending noms, in which case the pair would be vetoed and the HOH would be required to nom just one additional person.
I'd also institute incentives for working with your partner. I like the idea of identifying all the pairs, and the first team to do so (one guess per person) gets a DPOV. Or else give a paired CDE for the final team standing, though that would start playing into rounds with only a few people so HMM.

- Every round should alternate between public/ anon, but the 3/2 noms should be chosen by cards. OR vice versa. Just have one of them set and one of them not. I think it could actually create better moves if the 3/2 noms are alternated and public/ anon are chosen by cards, but it's up to you.

- After F7 elimination format goes to straight BB. The F6 round is always fun because of how the numbers work, so making the twist expire at F7 should work. At this point anon HOHs are allowed to reveal what happened but of course people will/ can lie.
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Omw I will respond when I get home but I like what I'm reading ^_^
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- I don't think there's been a game where all the players got to compete in every HOH but I don't really want challenge whores dominating because that shit is so boring. Then again I'm known for mixing shit up challenge wise so okay ^_^

- I really don't get why everyone is so against the odd person out (nominated w/ a pair) getting eliminated on the spot. I don't want to play it safe, hell I'm giving that person a 1/3 chance at winning veto. Then again If I lose someone epic I will feel guilty so we'll see. I suppose the winning pair must agree on a replacement nominee(s)? This game will have the pairs with loads of power it seems ^_^ I thought about giving the last pair standing a prize like a CDE but if it's like F7 or so, that will be lame so let's just stick to what we have so far.

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I think it could actually create better moves if the 3/2 noms are alternated and public/ anon are chosen by cards, but it's up to you

Agreed so we're doing it ^_^

- I will probz give anyone that reveals they were anon HOH a penalty nomination, I really want this twist to work so I might have to.
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A couple thoughts reading this...

I still really dislike the idea of someone getting auto-booted because a pair goes up. It could still get exploited, and it's really not fair to non-comp whores. It would also be not fair to challenge whores if the challenge was luck based or something. I'm fine with making the HoH nominate another person instead. That idea I really like.

I think the guess all the pairs is a really creative twist that could lead to lots of drama. The only concern is that it would never be used because no one would ever say who their partner was.

And if you do cards for public/private HoH, keep in mind that means every HoH challenge will have to be done in confessionals. That means no tile game, no musical chairs, and no anything that has to be done in public.
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The only problem I see with the auto boot is once pairs are found out, HoHs will use this to their advantage to auto eliminate someone without relying on the votes.

However, if it does happen, it doesn't mean it'll make for a terrible format. It'll mean pairs will have to keep their mouths shut which is SO unconventional in ORGs, so that could be fun. But I see this being exploited more as a thing to guarantee auto boots for the HoH than anything else. I don't have faith pairs wouldn't reveal themselves (for whatever crazy reason), and then many rounds we can just have auto boots with the HoHs being all too powerful.
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I should point out that the auto boot was set to happen ONCE and only once. It wasn't going to be a season long thing.

Also Cyndi, ew! I guess no cards then. Every HOH comp being in confessionals is gross and not something I would want.
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I think auto-eliminations should never be allowed by design. It just sucks to go out like that and it's really not fair, because as others said it can be exploited way too much. If you're doing pairs, maybe do something like the Golden Key instead? That's boring, but still better than the auto-elimination. Or you could do something that instead of goldenkeyimmunity you give out prizes to people who lose their pairs - votedoublers/nullifiers/and any new item because those are kinda played out by now lol.

Also, cardpicking doesn't automatically mean that the challenges have to be done in conf. That's only true if the cardpicking is done after the challenge is over. If the cardpicking is done before the round even starts, then it's not a problem.
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Why don't you just plan when it will be an anon or revealed HOH? Then you can plan the challenges around that? Why leave it up to cards?

Blue do you remember in Celebrity Survivor 2 I had someone get autoeliminated? It did not go over well at all, and I think you should be careful with that.

You should not let Public HOHs win back to back WTF? That defeats the whole purpose and you will have someone dominate at the end of the game it's just going to happen. Anon HOHs are okay, but not public ones.

And Kaysar and I are on the same wavelength here regarding the Anon HOH. Why does it matter if they reveal it or not? They might need to at FTC and that could lead to some FTC drama as well. Most won't reveal it anyway. If you just make a no screenshots or forwarding PMs type of rule then they won't be able to prove that they won or lost anyway?
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Echo Cookie. I'm personally against auto-eliminations on principle in almost all cases. Golden Keys could be an interesting idea as well. I actually like that because if you do that in addition to rewarding the last group standing, it creates a dilema of working together or eliminating each other. It also gives some compensation to good people who get stuck with an inactive/shitty parter.

I also have no objection to people revealing that they got anonymous HoH. But if you do that I would agree with KMK and enforce a no forwarding PMs rule just to avoid the issues that came up in ORGY mafia.
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I haven't actually been here or thought about this in a while, but here's a prospective format/schedule that you could work with, Blue.

Alternate between Public and Anon HoHs until the F8 (or whenever the twist expires) and have the HoH pick cards to determine if they will nominate two or three people. I'm also presuming no double rounds. So it will look like this...
F16 - Public
F15 - Anon
F14 - Public
F13 - Anon
F12 - Public
F11 - Anon
F10 - Public
F9 - Anon
F8 (through F4/F3, are you doing a F3 or F2?) - public

I'm assuming that the winner of a public HoH is ineligible to compete in the next round, but an anonymous HoH can compete for the next (public) HoH. Then the HoH can draw cards (either in public or in their confessionals, for anon rounds) to decide if they nominate two or three people.

That only leaves the pairs twist, which I think could last all game, or at least until the final four. I still think the auto-elimination idea sucks, but I like the idea that if a pair goes up and one wins veto, both can be taken off the block. And if that happens in a three nominee round, I assume the HoH would have to put up two more people.
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Hello, haven't been here as much either due to Vertigo All Stars but I love that list/schedule. I will likely use it when I decide what to do with the twist. ilu guys <3
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How are you going to decide who the pairs are?
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By Keesha's hands! She will get to decide ^_~
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