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| ~*~JURY GRILL SESSION~*~; Questioning! | |
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| Det. Alonzo Harris | Apr 17 2012, 07:47 PM Post #101 |
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If I'm being completely honest with myself, I would say that Annie played a great game and would be a worthy winner. Keeping that honesty in mind, I would have to rank Howard's game as the best of the final 3. Howard's game might not have been sexy, it might not have been "hey look everyone, I'm making moves and I'm taking credit for them" but what he did do was position himself so he was never a threat. As much skill as it takes to orchestrate a group of people to vote your way to pull off your strategic maneuvers, I would argue it takes just as much skill to convince almost everyone that you are no threat and that you should be in their final 3 while never receiving a vote along the way. He was able to convince at one time or another myself, William, Don Vito, Miranda, Annie, Elizabeth, and Commodus that he should sit next to them at the end. We all bought it hook. line, and sinker. The type of game Howard played was unmatched. Many players commend William, Elizabeth, and Cole for the under the radar game they played, many players including myself commend Miranda and Lisbeth for the game they played, but Howard outlasted them all. Not only that, but under almost any scenario conceivable, he would be sitting at final tribal council as a candidate to win the game. I don't think anyone else could make the argument that no matter what happened, they would be at the end. The only players who could do that (Elizabeth and Annie) admit that they had to perform certain maneuvers and work with certain players to get to this position. Howard didn't need to do that. He worked to make sure he fit into everyone's plans, not just Lisbeth's or Miranda's. At the end of the day, many fans of Survivor choose to rank winners by the ratio of how many times would they win compared to the amount of times they played. These same fans would argue that the more times they are likely to win out of x number of times, the more worthy they are as Survivor winners. Let's look at our finalists to see who would have the best ratio. Elizabeth? Regardless of how she explained or justified her actions, the fact is, once she entered the merge, she hitched her wagon to Lisbeth. She admitted as much. I don't think either she or I would argue this is a bad strategy for a desperate player. On the contrary, hitching your wagon to the right horse has been the path for many a Survivor finalist. And what I don't think either of us would argue is that if you hitch the wrong horse, and only one horse, you are toast. At best, you could hitch the right horse and stick fiercely loyal to them one times out of four and still make it to the end. Even if you do stick to the right horse, that horse might be knocked off the trail and take you with it. Play this type of game, everything else equal, she would be in the finals maybe 1/8 of the time and win only with the most deplorable of Final 3 contestants next to her (which she would have no power to choose because of her subsidiary position). Would she win 1/100 times? Maybe, but no more than that. The way I would describe Annie's game is "Elizabeth on Steroids". Like Elizabeth, Annie stuck on to a strong player (Miranda) at a crucial part of her game. Unlike Lisbeth for Elizabeth, Miranda for Annie was a much stronger horse and one more likely to make it to the end. As demonstrated at Final 11, the network of voters under the control of Miranda outnumbered the network of voters under the control of Lisbeth. At arguably one of the most important boots of the game, Annie, connected to Miranda, was in the superior position to Elizabeth who was connected to Lisbeth, a virtual insignificance in the game. Even prior to this vote, Annie put in the effort to remain connected with a player she was allied to (Alonzo Fucking Harris). What did Elizabeth do to this same player, a player she assumed was with her, Lisbeth, and the Don in 'The Family'? She exchanged ten messages with that player from the combining of the leads until Final 10. Such an apparent lack of effort in playing a crucial aspect of the game is one Elizabeth will have to live with and one Annie could hold over her rival. However, there is one player who put both to shame and a player who would not win 1/100 times for backing a good horse, or 1/75 times for backing a better horse and remaining contact with rivals, but a player who remained in contact with everyone and convinced most of them that his place was at the final 3 by their side. I understand that some perceive that a bias exists between Howard and myself due to our relationship in the game, but when I say that Howard played the best game when compared to his competitors at Final 3, it is a statement that I would stand behind not out of loyalty and friendship to Howard, but out of dignity and for respect of the game. In terms of odds, Howard's incredible social game and Howard's ability to warp his competitor's vision of the game to match the one he wanted you to see would put him in the end, everything else equal, at least 1/4 of the time. Unlike Elizabeth and Annie, he would never be in danger pre-merge, he would never be a threat to his competitors, and he would almost always be taken to the end. While a question exists whether or not a player like Howard could convince a jury when he made it to the end that he could win, his odds of winning at least match those of a pair of coattail riders like Elizabeth and Annie. Need proof that what I'm saying is true? The fact that a frontrunner has yet to emerge even in this late hour of Final Tribal Council with Howard still in the running with his competitors suggests to me that what I have to say is completely true. With that said, I would like to end my statement with a question. Before, that, let's talk honesty. I don't any quality any finalist attempts to portray would be met with as much respect and garner more votes than honesty. In response to my statement tonight, I would like each of you to come out and show us your honesty. Even if you have lied all night and all day to accumulate votes, it will do you no good if your jury knows you are lying. This is your last chance to fess up. This last display of honesty is what you may need to get over the hump to win Blues World 7. If you don't fess up, I still have a question for you because I will have a hard time deciding between a group of liars. The question is, what modern, influential leader have you emulated in this game, and what qualities do you feel from that individual that you have shown best? I'm trying to get somebody that I can relate to, a name of somebody that I would say, "alright, Annie did this like this person?" |
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| Billy Crystal | Apr 17 2012, 07:48 PM Post #102 |
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Alonzo will finish is off (no idea where Mammy is) |
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| Billy Crystal | Apr 17 2012, 08:02 PM Post #103 |
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Oh I see Mammy! POST NEGRESS!! |
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| Annie Wilkes | Apr 17 2012, 08:05 PM Post #104 |
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I did position myself well too but in a game, I think there comes a point that you must also consider doing risky moves to improve your performance. Your whole journey and that's what I did that Howard didn't do. I would have chosen the easier route by riding Miranda's coattails to the end but I chose the other direction because I knew there's no way people would see me as a better player than Miranda. Having said that, thank you Alonzo. I expected some wrath from you. Onto your question, :lol: This is quite hard because I do not know much about influential leaders who betrayed one of their closest friend/ally. Hmm.. OSKAR SCHINDLER Just because he's not a perfect good person at all and that's what I did in this game. I went along with the plans of everyone because I knew it would be best for the group and for myself just like Oskar following along the rules of the Nazi organization to execute Jews. But he also had business to handle. His business can be comparable to my plans and goals to this game. Both Oskar and I had emotions and feelings too. So when Oskar saw the opportunity to save some of the Jews, his workers, he saved them even if it meant betraying his home land, the Nazi organization. Like him, I cared for these players, especially Miranda. However, I cared about my game more. But in order to achieve what I believe is right for me, I betrayed her by gathering 2 other people (Howard and Cole) to vote her out and it lead me to freedom from being attached to her name, and now, I'm in the Finals. I have achieved what I want by betraying a person who will do the best things for me. Oskar is a fun loving person but I think what I emulated most about him is that he stepped up against what people expected him to be. That's what I did. I was expected to follow Miranda throughout the game but didn't because I know it's for my betterment. I am Annie Wilkes, MISS ALASKA! |
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| Billy Crystal | Apr 17 2012, 08:05 PM Post #105 |
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The answer to Rod's questions!
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| Howard Hughes | Apr 17 2012, 08:08 PM Post #106 |
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Alonzo, I love you dude! I've been as honest a I can tonight, there's no reason to lie now when you all can compare notes over there where you are. I did and said whatever I had to in the game in order to survive and I don't regret any of it. Win or lose, I'm proud of the game I played.
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| Det. Alonzo Harris | Apr 17 2012, 08:09 PM Post #107 |
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Thank you Howard and Annie. Good luck and I look forward to reading your response Elizabeth |
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| Annie Wilkes | Apr 17 2012, 08:12 PM Post #108 |
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So unfortunate there's no electricity in my area right now and I am on my phone. :lol: |
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| Mammy | Apr 17 2012, 08:12 PM Post #109 |
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7th Place/8th Juror
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Some people in the jury house would accuse all of you 3 of being lucky but I believe while any finalist in any game ever probably had luck go there way, luck is ultimately what you make of the oppurtunities handed to you. While I definitely think all 3 of you played a good game I came into tonight thinking 1 of you 3 has played a much stronger game then the other 2 and after reading a lot of these questions the last 20 minutes I do not think my opinions have changed much. Rather then waste your time with a pointless question I will just again wish you all good luck and say adu until cast reveal. |
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| Howard Hughes | Apr 17 2012, 08:12 PM Post #110 |
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I'm kinda OCD too, Rod. I didn't do so well in those questions, darn! But it's great to see you enjoyed the Spot The Difference challenge as much as me. Thanks for spoiling me, Billy. :rolleyes: |
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| Billy Crystal | Apr 17 2012, 08:13 PM Post #111 |
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Rod rushed me Howard ;_; sorry! |
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| Billy Crystal | Apr 17 2012, 08:15 PM Post #112 |
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Howard and Annie get started on your closing statements, DO NOT POST UNTIL I PROMPT YOU ALL!! Elizabeth when you're finished answering Alozno, begin with your closing statements <3 OMW |
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| Annie Wilkes | Apr 17 2012, 08:15 PM Post #113 |
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Thanks Mammy! I hope and I think that you are referring to me. :lol: |
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| Elizabeth Bennet | Apr 17 2012, 08:16 PM Post #114 |
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Mr. Harris, I have done nothing during this ceremony but be completely honest about how I played this game. I have not embellished the details of my actions. I have not shown disrespect by blatantly ignoring things we were asked to do: to write an opening statement within the twenty four allotted hours, to do fallen comrades. I have acknowledged my faults and I have managed to turn them into strengths, into admirable traits that can be recognised as me overcoming adversity rather than showing too little of an interest in the strategic affairs of the game. I do not know how you can sit there, Mr. Harris, and claim that I have spent my game riding along the coattails of Mr. Salander when I have gone out of my way to highlight events in this game that I participated in that were completely independent of Mr. Salander's influence. Mr. Salander was an excellent ally. I am glad to have had him. But to imply that I could not have made it here without him is laughable, and to imply that he made every decision for me is simply denying what has been put out onto the table tonight. Quite frankly, without me, I do not believe that Mr. Salander would have done as well as he did. I was an enormous factor in his game, I was very influential in helping him uncover the deceits and the lies of people around us. It was me who sniffed out Miss Wilkes' treachery right away and from the moment I brought it to Mr. Salander's attention, he knew that we needed to play our games in spite of her, not alongside her. I have been VERY upfront tonight about my gameplay and I have not once claimed that it was perfect, but I have outlined reasons why I played the way I did and why I think that it is worth rewarding. I do not know what more you expect from me in terms of honesty. I am honest when I say that I deserve to win, that I did the best I was capable of doing, and that I do not believe that Mr. Hughes or Miss Wilkes have journeys anywhere near as tumultuous, as entertaining, as emotional, and as unique as my own. And just remember that we are not only playing an on-line reality game. We are also emulating characters, we are put on stage for an awards show. It is the spirit of this game in particular, but also of all games due to the nature of reality television entertainment, to appreciate a truly compelling and one of a kind person. I believe that that is who I am, and I have made it here in spite of all the disadvantages that I was confronted by. You bring up ideas of probability in your statement, but I am not sure that I follow your logic behind flaunting those numbers. Have you heard of the idea of "high risk, high reward?" To me, the gameplay that you describe as ideal is very boring and it is not one that I would reward. I feel as though your idealised version of the expert Survivor player is one that has become so studied, so simple to perfect, that it is no longer impressive. Any person can lie and cheat and worm their way through situations that would statistically work out for them. The fact that you have just described the fact that it was statistically improbable that I would reach this stage alone means that I must have had an impressive game. Not many people would be able to pull it off, according to how you just characterised it. I would much rather play with an integrity of the game and of the entertainment factor, while still treating it as seriously as any other player, than being boring and hackneyed. Onto your question. Which influential leader have I emulated in this game? Well, first and foremost, I have emulated Miss Elizabeth Bennet as conceived by Miss Jane Austen. You are asking very much of us to compare ourselves to people who have made real changes in the world, but I will go along with your request. The leader that I would compare myself to is Mrs. Aung San Suu Kyi. I have always admired Mrs. Suu Kyi for a number of reasons, one being her perseverance. Her drive and ambition is unparalleled in the world. She was locked up, isolated from the world and treated with immense disrespect for several years. Her story is one of heartbreak and tragedy. She was legally elected to several positions but the military government in Burma continued to infringe on her rights due to her... shall we say, controversial ideals. Why do I compare myself to Mrs. Suu Kyi? Well, for one, we are both very meek looking women. We are underestimated because of our demeanor, because of who we are. And yet being isolated from the world did not stop her, just as all of the obstacles in my way during this game did not stop me. She has never stopped trying to make Burma a better place in spite of the fact that the Burmese junta attempted to thwart her power again and again. This is a woman who has won the Nobel Peace Prize, who has appeared on lists of influential people for over two decades, and yet only within the last year (I believe) has she been able to seize any real power. She is my heroine, and to model myself after her would be a privilege. I think that I would have made her proud, showing how I never gave up in spite of the adversities I faced. I was always focused on achieving what I wanted, and no organisation of military dictators was going to stop me. Thank you for listening, Mr. Harris. |
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| Elizabeth Bennet | Apr 17 2012, 08:17 PM Post #115 |
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Thank you for your words, Mammy. |
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| Howard Hughes | Apr 17 2012, 08:17 PM Post #116 |
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Oh and as for the influential leader question. I'll go with Dick Cheney :lol: I always enjoyed the way he'd emerge from the background once in a while to say hi to the cameras. He was always in control of whatever he was doing and didn't need to be in the spotlight all the time. |
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| Det. Alonzo Harris | Apr 17 2012, 08:18 PM Post #117 |
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Thank you Elizabeth, I am sure your answer will help a lot of people tonight. Good luck! |
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| Howard Hughes | Apr 17 2012, 08:22 PM Post #118 |
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Thanks for not making us work answering more questions, Mammy! ![]() I'm looking forward to the cast reveal more than the actual vote. |
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| Billy Crystal | Apr 17 2012, 08:22 PM Post #119 |
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ALL THREE OF YOU! Post your closing statements!! GL <3 |
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| Marisa Tomei | Apr 17 2012, 08:27 PM Post #120 |
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Good Luck to the Final 3. May the Academy make the right choice in picking a winner like they did in 1993. Hopefully this academy will not be as awful as the 2002 or 2009 Academies. |
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| Annie Wilkes | Apr 17 2012, 08:27 PM Post #121 |
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I dont want to prolong this because I am on my phone right now and it sucks so much. But I guess most of you have already decided their vote regardless of what Ill be saying about to say. I still think that I am the better player among the finalists to represent this game once it is over. Thats just me. Vote for me if you agree, I put so much effort into this and I would appreciate any votes from you jury. Thank you all! THIS IS SUCH A FANTASTIC GAME!!!! <333 Good lck Howard and Elizabeth, you put up a great fight!
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| Howard Hughes | Apr 17 2012, 08:30 PM Post #122 |
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Well Presenters, I have nothing more to say about the game that I haven't said already. I played the best game I could with what I had and it got me here being the only person in the game to never be voted against. I'm proud of what I achieved and I have no regrets about any of it. I want to let you all know that I really enjoyed myself playing this game and I look forward to being friends with most of you after this. As I told Miss Elizabeth earlier in a PM, whatever happened in the game, stays in the game. That's the way Howie handles business. Good luck, ladies! |
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| Mel Gibson | Apr 17 2012, 08:31 PM Post #123 |
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Good luck, finalists! |
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| Elizabeth Bennet | Apr 17 2012, 08:31 PM Post #124 |
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Well, it is all over now. I do not know what else I can say, other than to thank Mr. Crystal and the other hosts for allowing me to play this game and to spend so much time having as much fun as possible. I would like to thank many people, in the spirit of the Academy Awards, including: Mr. Bennet (Papa) Mrs. Bennet (Mama) Miss Kitty Bennet Miss Mary Bennet Mrs. Jane Bingly Mr. Billy Bush Mrs. Charlotte Collins Mrs. Lydia Wickham and of course my husband, Mr. Fitzwilliam Darcy. I feel as though I played this game to the best of my abilities, and I have outlined in this thread what exactly makes me the best candidate to win. I think that I have been among the most interesting and fascinating players to simply watch, regardless of the successes of my many endeavors. I think that I have been unfairly criticised in many respects and understandably criticised in others; but I hope that I have made clear that I did not do "nothing" and I did not simply rely on Mr. Salander for every attempted and completed move that I made in this game. I had a very solid plan throughout the game that cracked as my emotions got the best of me, but I was able to overcome such adversity and keep my head held high. Thank you for listening everybody, and good luck to my competitors. |
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| Billy Crystal | Apr 17 2012, 08:32 PM Post #125 |
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JUST WAITING ON ELIZABETH! ![]() CAPS <3 |
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but i wouldn't complain if someone said Kat or Chelsea or even Tarzan, if someone says Troy they will lose my vote 100%

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