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| Protevs | Feb 15 2009, 07:08 AM Post #1 |
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Hello fellow guildies ^^ I need some feedback on an idea I've had for quite some time. As some (or maybe most?) of you know, I'm a complete Omok addict. And it saddens my heart to see the Game Area of Henesys empty 24/7. I spend a lot of time there, afking or hanging out, just because it feels good to be in the area designed specifically for a mini-game such as Omok. That's why I want to bring life into this forgotten place. I want to start up Omok Tournaments, where people compete for meso prices. The korean MapleStory staff have already added all the graphics needed for a tournament of 64 or 32 (or less, since the graphics are divided into different parts), so the only things I need to start this off are publicity (easily gained through forums), and some help concerning a few questions. If you would take some of your time to help me out on these questions, that would be great: 1) How much should the entry fee be for this kind of tournament? If depending on the amount of people joining, please write a list. Also remember, the tournament prize gets higher as the entry fee goes up. 2) How should I avoid conflicts such as: "I WON!" "NO, I WON" "YOU HAVE NO PROOF!" 3) How should it be arranged? All of the matches within a set time period during day, or make it like the auctions on Basil, where the users get a designated time period to meet up and complete the match (could take a long time). 4) Should there be a prize only for the absolute winner, or for the 2nd and 3rd place too? I probably have more questions, but not right now. Thanks for all help ^^ |
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| oHaibaraAio | Feb 16 2009, 12:51 PM Post #2 |
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I had this idea two years ago. I think Ilona shot down my idea or something. XD 1). I'm guessing it would be a thing where the winner would get the entire pot? Or would it be split for the 2nd/3rd place as well? I think the winning amount should be enough so that people are willing to take the time to play, but not too much as to discourage people from playing because they'll lose their life savings. Also, lower level players may not be able to participate if the entry fee is too high. 2). Just get the winner to screenshot after the win as proof. And get them to post it somewhere. 3). Set period would be best, but it's hard to get everyone organized (just think about how difficult it is to get everyone in one place for Guild PQ. It's always around 30min or more). For the play within a designated time thing, it works, except you'll have to decide what happens when the match doesn't happen. Will they get fined for it? And also, people in different time zones might have difficulties playing eachother. 4) I think there should be 2nd and 3rd place prizes. Since you'll just win every time, and it'd get boring for everyone else. =P |
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| Protevs | Feb 18 2009, 02:26 PM Post #3 |
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Ok, so maybe split it like this: 1st place: 60% 2nd place: 30% 3rd places: 5% each There will be two 3rd places, because organizing a fight between the two losers in the semifinals is just..kinda waste of time. Besides, 5% is just enough to cover the entry fee and gain a tiny bit of income. 3rd places don't deserve more =P I was thinking of an entry fee of 200k. If we get 32 players, that's 6.4 mil. More than enough to make people willing to play. Set period will still bring up the question of proofing one's wins, since we won't be able to confirm all matches in such a short time period. A game of 32 players would give 5 rounds. 32>16>8>4>2 I was thinking of 1 round per day, and the matches would take place at a set time of day. If one player doesn't show up within 15 minutes after the set time, he/she is disqualified. If none meet up, then both will be disqualified and the one supposed to meet with the winner in the next round will gain an auto-win. I can go and upload the graphics if you want to see it (= |
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| OpenedSight | Mar 1 2009, 02:18 AM Post #4 |
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1. I think the entree fee is a little too high, we should start lower to attract more people. Then we can get serious.... 2. We should assign a group of people to record every participants previous record, right before they play their competition match. And once the participants are done with their game, the enter the moderators game, and he/she can see how the participants record has changed. For example, my record is 0-0-0(not true fyi) and Tera's is 0-0-0, we both enter the moderators game and they record it accordingly. After the game, we both enter, and lets say my record is 1-0-0 and Tera's is 0-1-0 then I win. And if the participants score after the game differs more than one game(0-0-0 to 0-2-0) that person is D/Q. And to prevent people from saying "the moderator was bribed", the moderator should type in the record in all chat for everyone to hear. 3. Well, we should probably design a website for the omok tourney. So everyone who wants to participate, they need to provide us with their ign, playing times, and their current time zone. That way, in the early stages of the tourney, we can match them up with people who have similar playing times/time zones. That should make things easier for the casual players. So, for the 1st round, everyone will be assigned an appropriate time for them to play, and the participants will confirm it. If one of them doesn't confirm it, he/she will get D/Q and the other participant will move ahead with the tourney. At the designated time, if one person fails to show up within 5min without prior contact(whispers of OMW!!! NOOOOOOO) they get D/Q. 4. I like Tera's idea of distributing the prizes, except I don't really like elimination matches. Instead of doing an elimination tourney, we should have a elimination/point system tourney. Every participant will start with 5 points. After the 1st round is over, all the winners will be awarded another 5 points, making their total 10. All of the losers will be given the option to fight their fellow losers for their points. The losers who decide to fight will challenge another loser for X points, and put X points of their own on the line, so the winner will get 2X points, and the loser will get Original Score-X.(eh.. dunno how else to explain it). The winners do not get to participate in the point system yet. To prevent any unomokship like behaviors, each loser will be limited to having 3 matches per round. After the 2nd round is over, the winners of the 2nd round will be awarded 10 points, making the total 20,and the the new batch of losers join the battle for points with all the other losers. After the 3rd round, the winners will be awarded 15 points, making their total 35. This time, the free for all point system will be open to all participants. The 4th tier winners will be awarded 20 points(total 55), 5th tier 25 points(80), each tier add 5 points. However, the winners cannot challenge people from their own tier, only the losers, but the losers can challenge the victor's This way, if two really good players go at each other 1st tier, the loser won't feel left out of the whole tourney and still has a shot of winning. O, and the winner of the entire tourney will receive a bonus of 20 points, 2nd place 10 points. After all the dust has settled, the person with the most points will be 1st, 2nd most 2nd, etc. As for situations of a tie, the two that tied will play rock paper scissors, by whispering their choice to a moderator. The moderator will then say who said what (Ai said paper, Kubi said rock). And the winner of that get's the prize. For the 1st/2nd/3rd place loser that tied, they should receive a consolation prize(pots, ores, noob gear, etc.). This complicates it a lot, I know, but it would make it more interesting. But this also brings up the issue of bribery and such.... Meh, just a collection of my thoughts
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| oHaibaraAio | Mar 1 2009, 07:51 AM Post #5 |
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I don't think bribery is going to really be at stake o.o Regarding the tournament system. It's a good idea that it isn't pure elimination. The system you just described, is pretty much double elimination. You just have two tiers, (winners tier and losers tier), and more people get added to losers as they lose. Then they keep playing eachother. With the final match being between the losers tier winner and the winner's tier winner. It's what we use for curling tournaments. The point system you used might complicate things since it's another set of numbers we need to keep track of. The thing about double elimination is that you might run into having odd numbered people quite a bit in the losers tier since some people might opt out of a second round. This creates the problem of who's going to get a BYE into the next round, and who doesn't. The two other systems of play would be round robin (takes too long) or a ladder system. These would make the tournament an ongoing thing. With the ladder you can only challenge people XX spots above your rank. We can make it that the people who sign up first are at the top of the ladder. If you win, you switch spots with the person you beat if you're of the lower rank, otherwise you stay the same rank. Overall, it really depends on how many people are interested. |
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| OpenedSight | Mar 3 2009, 12:40 AM Post #6 |
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Well, the best way to test out which system works the best is to actually put it into practice. Maybe we should have an alliance competition.... just too see how each system works. Edit: Lately I've been playing some REALLY good players, and I asked their opinion on omok tourneys. Most of them support the idea, so I'm pretty sure we have a community that's interested. So my question is, are we just going to talk about it here or actually try and put it into practice?
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This way, if two really good players go at each other 1st tier, the loser won't feel left out of the whole tourney and still has a shot of winning. O, and the winner of the entire tourney will receive a bonus of 20 points, 2nd place 10 points.
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