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Shadow Possession Jutsu; a problem....
Topic Started: Apr 6 2007, 02:17 AM (171 Views)
Shin Draven
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Remember in the show how the twins had the ability to fight off this jutsu, could we construct a system where it is possible so let's say:

user's dark element + user's will power vs Defender's will power
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Gekijou
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It would actually be something like this.

User's dark element + user's will power vs Defender's strength + defender's will power.
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Shin Draven
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That would make more sense.... I'm just disappointed that a move that powerful is not checked with a system.
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Gekijou
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My friends call me Galileo or "Gal" for short.
I personally hate the move since it gives people an excuse to godmod.
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Shin Draven
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lol, but it was in the show ;)

That is why I think moves like that should have a system behind it to prevent that. Such as the Sabaku Sand Shield as well. As I study the move list, I'll find more.
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Gekijou
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I don't care if it was in the show, there are a lot of things in the show that I personally will not approve.
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Shin Draven
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I agree. But since Cloud has allowed them to be in the RPG, we have no choice but to edit them with a system of checks and balances. A lot of moves in the RPG are "godmoddish" in execution, but there is little we can do but what I've stated.
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Mattox
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And yet Gal, you wanted to put in all of the Sabaku moves, despite some of them being nearly auto-kills and causing an insane amount of damage, or being exceedingly cheap. Don't pick favorites, now. ;)
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NanoSong
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I think a huge misconception with the Sabaku clan is that they can be just like Gaara. While most of the Sabaku moves are inspired from that of Gaara, the reason he could do such massive moves while also playing defensively is because he could tap into the Raccoon-demon's large chakra pool. And even then, it was extremely tiring for him.

For someone with a normal human's chakra, using Gaara's strategies of "absolute defense" should be phenomenally tiring after even two posts or so. Which it is, I suppose, considering the "finishers" cost 16 and 20 or so. Its not something you could just casually use like Gaara does.

But Shadow Possession isn't a finishing move. Its a lead into a finishing strike, perhaps, but not an end-all-be-all like Sabaku jutsu. Maybe Sabaku jutsu should have a way out as well. Like you told me, Gal, all finishers need an out. I simply don't see a stat way out with Sabaku jutsu, like breaking out of Desert Coffin with Strength higher than Bloodline, etc. I just find it ironic that we're arguing a way out of Shadow Possesion with stats, while Sabaku jutsu sits all-powerful without one.
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Kaos
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You can never make everyone truly happy. If you want to change one thing, you have to change others.

Its as simple as that.
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Gekijou
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It is stated that a character can survive the Sabaku jutsu without being crippled, they will just be in a lot of pain. It also requires two jutsus to crush a person with sand, not one. You also have an out against the Sabaku simply by dodging once or twice while they waste tremendous amounts of chakra. The two ultimate Sabaku finishers require a total of 50 chakra to use. If the first one misses then the Sabaku is in trouble.
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Shin Draven
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....Is this thread titled 'Sabaku Jutsu' or something? No, let's turn this discussion to where it should be. the shadow possession jutsu. Now where was I.... o yes, we shall compile a system for checking and balancing certain techniques.
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Gekijou
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Is this agreeable enough?

Jutsu that paralyze its target must follow the formula below.

Paralyze Effect: Average of the attacker's stats in relation to the jutsu requirements + attacker's will power VS. Defender's strength +will power

Example 1:

Shadow Possession Jutsu

Attacker's Ninjutsu and Dark divided by 2 + Will Power VS. Defender's Strength + Will Power

Example 2:

Desert Coffin

Attacker's Sand and Bloodline divided by 2 + Will Power VS. Defender's Strength + Will Power
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Shin Draven
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Sounds decent. I'm skeptical about the dividing by two, but i'm doing the calculations in my head.
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Silence
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There may be a small discrepency with the exact equation, and it would be good to fix this now. I'll just use the Shadow Possession example since the two are so similar.

Example 1:
Shadow Possession Jutsu
Attacker's Ninjutsu and Dark divided by 2 + Will Power VS. Defender's Strength + Will Power
This could mean two types of equations by the description.

Quote:
 
Attackers {[(Ninjutsu + Dark) /2] + Willpower} VS. Defenders (Strength + Willpower)
Basically an average of the Ninjutsu and Dark. Follows more of what is used with the rest of the combat system.

---or---

Quote:
 
Attackers [(Ninjutsu /2) + (Dark /2) + Willpower] VS. Defenders (Strength + Willpower)
Cuts each in half and adds them together. Follows more of Gekijou's exact wording ('and' instead of 'plus').

These two equations work the same way unless the Attackers Ninjutsu and Dark are both odd #'s, in which case the second equation will create two mixed numbers that will be cut off. For example if the user has 15 Ninjutsu and 25 Dark and 5 Willpower, the first equation will make it come out to 25 while the second will come out to 24.

Basically, which of these equations did you have in mind Gekijou?

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All of this is completely void if the fractions aren't dropped, which I'm not positive about. If they're not, just ignore this entire post! ;)
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Gekijou
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15/2=7.5 25/2=12.5 7.5+12.5=20

15+25=40/2=20

It does not matter which one you use. I just worded it so that it makes more sense. Not everyone knows the whole math system so I went with wording that most if not all people would understand.
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Silence
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OK, so you keep the fractions. That follows the last part of my previous post, so just ignore it as it says. :lol:
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