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FFX... a Prequel wo FFVII?
Topic Started: Mar 5 2009, 01:37 PM (85 Views)
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As some fans of Final Fantasy VII, X and X-2 may or may not know, the worlds
of the two games share a plot-related connection. The connection's existance
was established during an interview with Yoshinori Kitase (lead developer of
the Final Fantasy series) and Kazushige Nojima (the scenario writer of Final
Fantasy VII, Before Crisis, Advent Children, Final Fantasy VIII, Final Fantasy
X, Final Fantasy X-2 and the Kingdom Hearts series) in 2002, as featured in
the Final Fantasy X Ultimania Omega guidebook, an official Square-Enix
publication.

This interview established that there would be a connection between the two
worlds, though it didn't detail it. However, based on what was later revealed
to be the connection, it's clear that it had already been conceived, as
Kitase hints at it with his final word on the subject. In 2003, the exact
nature of the concept was finally revealed in the Final Fantasy X-2 Ultimania,
having been hinted toward by a few elements of the game.

Nojima revealed that Shinra of the Gullwings, an Al Bhed child prodigy and
inventor of various machinery, would attempt using the remains of Vegnagun --
the behemoth machina Shuyin tried to destroy Spira with -- to extract life
energy from the Farplane and use it to power machines. Shinra would attempt
doing this as a result of his analysis of the Farplane late in the game.
During this diagnostic, Shinra concluded that there was a great deal of energy
floating around inside the Farplane, and that it was most likely the life
force of Spira, which could be extracted and used as a power source; however,
he concluded that it would take generations to properly implement the idea.

Further of note is that Nojima explained that the Al Bhed entrepeneur Rin also
was interested in extracting mako from the Farplane, and that he provided
Shinra with the funding to make the attempt. For his part, Rin's desire to do
this is revealed during the game should he be uncovered as the culprit behind
covering up the malfunctioning machina disaster on the Mi'hen Highroad.

Nojima went on to say that Shinra's attempts to use Vegnagun's remains failed
and that he was unable to complete the concept of mako-extraction, just as
Shinra had predicted. However, some 1000 years later, once space travel became
possible, Shinra's descendants would go on a voyage to the world of Final
Fantasy VII. There, at some point in the future, they would be successful in
utilizing the concept, and would provide electricity from the Planet for a
price; these descendants would found the Shin-Ra Company of Final Fantasy VII.

The connection would again be hinted toward in the Final Fantasy X-2:
International+Last Mission (released in 2004) game's Last Mission scenario, in
which Rikku revealed that Rin and Shinra had begun working together. Next,
the Final Fantasy VII Ultimania Omega guidebook (released in September, 2005)
also brings forth mention of the concept, and, finally, the connection may
have received further indication through Dirge of Cerberus (released in
January, 2006) and the Advent Children Reunion Files book (released in May,
2006), in which it is established that the Shera airship seen in Advent
Children and Dirge of Cerberus runs on ancient, lost non-mako technology that
Cid discovered. This technology very well may have originally belonged to
Shinra's descendants, as they are the only previous inhabitants of VII's world
indicated to have been in possession of advanced technology, and because the
interior of the Shera bears some aesthetic resemblances to those of the
Fahrenheit and Celsius airships that figure prominently into FFX and FFX-2
(though the Shera's interior bears more of a resemblance to the Celsius').

I will here present the dialogue from Final Fantasy X-2 that hints at the
connection, as well as the interviews and other translations that establish
its existance as part of official Final Fantasy continuity.


This is taken from the Final Fantasy VII Ultimania, which is a behind the scenes guide to the Final Fantasy VII universe published by Square Enix. I have a translated version since it never left Japan.
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My favorite part of this it that it makes more sense when you take into account that the Cetra walked on the planet when a certain "Jenova" suddenly crashed into the planet. If we are to take this into context, Jenova could be the inhabitants of Spira, and the descendant's of Shinra, who caused the death of the Cetra due to their Mako excavation and advanced technology.

Another interesting fact I personally find to be related is the fact that Sephiroth has a specific move that if you analyze correctly may shed some light on if this is true or not. Sin Harvest. Sure, one could say that it has no relevance to the big bad in FFX but if he is a descendant of Jenova and they come from Spira it could be named as such to show that he would try to destroy the world as Sin used to on a regular basis.
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You looked at it wrong XD

JENOVA is just an alien and they say nothing about it. It's the founders of Shin-ra that reincarnated from FFX world into the FFVII world a thousand or so years later. Continuing their plans from the FFX world into the FFVII world.

But, the Sin Harvest would make sense if... it didn't pre-date FFX :P
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You looked at it wrong XD

JENOVA is just an alien and they say nothing about it. It's the founders of Shin-ra that reincarnated from FFX world into the FFVII world a thousand or so years later. Continuing their plans from the FFX world into the FFVII world.

But, the Sin Harvest would make sense if... it didn't pre-date FFX :P
Now now, if they were stupid enough to link such a good game with two crappy ones, whose to say they won't soon come out with JENOVA being some bad inhabitants of Spira....or maybe even Sin itself? Just because you are told something doesn't mean you know the full story, you can't deny that. As for it pre-dating FFX, whose to say they hadn't been planning something like this for a long long time? It did take them 6 years to finally come out and say everything, at least everything they want us to know, about what we know.
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Nomura isn't known for planning ahead... he's known for working on a billion things at one time and going at it as it comes to him.

But the Ultimania stated all the connections and gave dialog from FFX/VIIDoC supporting it.

I just didn't post all the dialog and whatnot since... it's a lot >.o
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I've seen this before, and I admit it's interesting, although I hate they had to tie one of my least favorte FFs to one of my favorites, even if it was indirectly.

Of course, there's theories floating around on the net that all the Final Fantasy games are inter-connected to one another, although it's not a straight chronology.
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Dissidia connects them all together in a sense :p

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Think I'm gonna watch the video I mentioned in the spoiler again really quick...
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It makes sense if you think about it to a degree.

The cetra are the original inhabitants of the planet. For arguments sake lets say they had some technology behind them, since they created the Ultima weapons. A thousand or so years before shinra's descendants arrive. Jenova crash lands into the planet creating Northren Cave Crater. The following event is the cetra annihilation, which only a few cetra survived. Over the years after Jenova was sealed. The cetra were unable to reestablish there population. A thousand years have passed in X and X-2 time line, when the descendants of shinra land on the plant.

The descendants of shinra landed in what we can assume to be a colony sized airship, or an airship designed to colonise other planets. The descendants of shinra then established Midgar. This becomes the center point of the colonization project. Time goes by and Midgar expands, and becomes over crowded. Shinra's descendants learned to conserve space on the planet. Instead of building the city outward they decide to build it up wards. Leading to the plates above the city to be built, around Crisis Core.

We can then presume Wutai was established by a different group of colonist. Instead of relying on Mako technology. The descendants of Wutai relied on the technology of X and X-2. This might have put them selves at a disadvantage against shinra. This could also explain why Wutai is viewed as more oriental, but ancient culture. At some point we can presume shinra decided to bring Wutai up to date. Unfortunately a dispute breaks out, and the shinra/Wutai war begins. The rest is history as they would say.

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