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| Topic Started: Sep 14 2005, 08:46 PM (293 Views) | |
 Poppy
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Sep 14 2005, 08:46 PM Post #1 |
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 Steve, don't know if this is the right place to put this topic but here it is anyway. If it's in the wrong place, you'll move it to it's rightful place I'm sure.In March/ April, I joined a forum that does not now exist. I made some posts on it using my real first name. Ok, there are plenty of me's in the UK.  But tonight, I came accross a new craft site that also has a chat link. Reading through this link I realised some of the posts were made by ME! When on that forum that closed. The posts referr to copyrite issues of all things. Mainly about the use of Rubber stamp comanies not letting us use their images when they have made a fortune from us crafters in the first place. I joined in some threads. I realise I cannot hold copyrite to words printed on a forum, but it shocked me all the same, to think that my words and views were passed onto a new forum/ chat link! Steve, I know you'd never pass any of our comments on, if it were possible, but I am now wondering about personal references we have made of various members of our families. I know sometimes it's hard to think that there are other people and guests reading what we put, but it can feel personal to our community also and we get a sense of security and let slip some personal details. It has made me think. What are your views on this? Is this a lesson not to post personal family funnies or whatever? Poppy. 
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Sep 14 2005, 10:39 PM Post #2 |
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Hi, Poppy
This is one of those difficult subjects for us all
 If we don't stipulate that our "products" are copyright, then by placing them on the internet, we are putting them iinto the "public domain" and thereby surrendering our rights to whatever. That said, a moral person would consider the use of another's words as plagiarism (which it is) and therefore a reflection on the poor standard of the "thief's" intelligence. But, we have to be very careful, as we all use other peoples' words unintentionally without using any kind of attribution to the originator. That said, directly lifting another forum's posts is, at the least, very poor form and I suspect many forum owners would be very unhappy to learn that their members were guilty of it!You are absolutely right in your belief that I would never approve of such plagiarism. If any member of CraftBoard were discovered to be stealing the voices/thoughts of others, then they would be banned from CraftBoard! It is, however, possible that if a major system crash happened, which stripped some data from here, then if some was left that was significant to CraftBoard, I might have to post that without any more than a statement to the effect that the originator's name has been lost. This has happened on some forums, in an attempt to rescue as much data as possible. On the question of personal information, I would always recommend that you review posts before moving on, to ensure that nothing too personal is being divulged. Funny tales and general family "trivia" should be fine. I would, though, try to reserve this kind of personal anecdote info' for areas that only members can access, such as the Craft Lounge or Just Kidding! That reduces the risks, somewhat, and also makes it much easier to track down the culprit if personal information is then lifted and "exploited" in some way. In the most extreme of cases, I can assure all members that not only would a member causing gross problems be banned, but I or Damien would notify that person's ISP, email host and the appropriate police (if necessary) so that further action could be taken! Finally, I read all the posts on CraftBoard, even if I don't participate in every thread. If any overly personal information is divulged, then I take steps to edit the post and remove it or alter it to prevent easy use of it. An instance of this occurred recently with a member including an "open" email address, which I promptly altered. If any member is ever concerned about the content of a post, however, and neither Damien nor I appear to be online, then you can report the post to the moderator/admin which will alert us by email. This doesn't just mean that you only report Spam/offensive posts - you can report posts if you think they may be embarrassing to the poster - or you could PM them with your concerns and suggest that they edit the post. I hope that this helps reassure every member that Damien and I will do our utmost to protect you and your rights. Regards, Steve PS This is a very good place for this question, Poppy Guests who are considering becoming members may need the same reassurance and clarification
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Sep 15 2005, 10:13 AM Post #3 |
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Thanks Steve. Maybe I didn't explain properly in my last post, but, it appears that the old forum has sold or had all it's original posts moved to this new CHAT link! With ALL NAMES still in tact. I only intended to make those posts to the original forum and not have them bandied about on other CHAT links. I have just realised the difference of FORUM and CHAT LINK, witha forum, you can edit your remarks! Witha Chat link, you have NO control once it has been posted!!!! It is also very easy to just jump into a chat link, without regestering. So at lEAST they don't have my personal data to sell off! I think it's worth noting, Poster's to chat links beware!!! But this forum is OK. Poppy. |
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Sep 15 2005, 11:06 AM Post #4 |
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Sorry for the misunderstanding, Poppy
I think it was worth saying what I did though
By "chat link" do you mean something like MSN or Yahoo Groups? Perhaps you could PM me with the link and I can do some investigating. Certainly, I've always maintained that forums are safer and better because Groups are based on email. If you're prone to saying things too quickly, it's best to work offline and then review the emails you've written before you go online and post them The idea of selling forum data is disgusting! Cheers, Steve |
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Sep 15 2005, 08:54 PM Post #5 |
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I agree Steve, that's why I asked the question openly, so everyone will be more aware. I did value your input and it was well worth what you put for our peace of minds. The link I refer to is just a chat zone really attached to a mail order firm. Will pm the details. It's nothing risky, but it did shock me to think I and others were being bandied about! What a thought! Poppy.
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Sep 16 2005, 12:51 AM Post #6 |
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Ooer! 
 Fancy being bandied about A mail order firm? That's even worse, really! Selling data is unforgivable, in my opinion! If the data wasn't sold, then it's theft, pure and simple and the company could well be open to extremely bad publicity at the very least! Steve |
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Sep 18 2005, 06:12 AM Post #7 |
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How awful Poppy, I have come across forums before though that have stated that they have the right to post/rewrite your comments anywhere, that you can't hold the copyright to any of your ideas but that, in fact they will! I can't remember which forums they were but one of them belonged to a craft magazine
Was the bandying fun though 
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Sep 18 2005, 03:15 PM Post #8 |
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Sharon that's true, in fact most forums state that. But, you never expect them to actually do it. It 's like the small print in any contract, nobody takes it serious enough. It just goes to show how easy it is for your posts to be lifted or transfered without your knowing. It was only by pure chance I saw and recognised my own words and ideas. Poppy.
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Sep 19 2005, 11:59 AM Post #9 |
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This is pretty standard with magazines, sadly! I have on occasion considered sending articles to magazines, but that rule has stopped me doing so. I may not be fussy about copyright of most of my work, but the idea of somebody else effectively claiming rights over it when all they do is print/publish it is not something I can support! I can assure you that CraftBoard claims rights on nothing but the homepage and the basics of CraftBoard, just as InvisionFree holds copyrights on the forum software! Anything you post is yours to do with as you will. A clarification might be in order, here. If you want to use another member's images/words then you must seek their consent unless they post that consent at the time! Plagiarism is belittling of the plagiarist! Cheers, Steve |
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Sep 20 2005, 03:19 PM Post #10 |
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I read something yesterday on a site that said they had they right to change your work, publish your work and basically do anything they wanted with it...not good! |
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Sep 20 2005, 04:48 PM Post #11 |
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I know the HGTV message board is like that. Thats why I don't go over there too much. I feel like they are waiting for me to give out some sort of secret craft idea so they can use it on one of there craft shows. The posters are all sweet gals and guys, but the board is sort of cold. Everyone is afraid to post their craft projects with instrutions. It then becomes HGTV property. Its very sad.
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Sep 20 2005, 05:21 PM Post #12 |
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Quite agree, Mardar!
It's common enough, but that doesn't make it right, especially when these people are going to make money out of the ideas of others. It's just unpaid labour! :angry: Steve |
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Oct 19 2005, 01:38 AM Post #13 |
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I know that HGTV even had a policy for a while that stated that anything posted (even if it was copyrighted) became their property and they were entitled to change, copy, rewrite, post and market all ideas or submissions to their message boards. That is why I left. I do have copyrights and would NEVER surrender my copyrights to them under those terms. I will gladly share any and all that I can, but if I say it is copyrighted, then I do expect people to honor that copyright. Judi |
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Oct 19 2005, 02:00 AM Post #14 |
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That is one of the reasons I rarely go to HGTV anymore! I hadnt realized that until about a week before Creative Minds was started ! I think that is just plain stealing. Another reason I dont go there is I am too busy on these GREAT boards
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Oct 19 2005, 12:26 PM Post #15 |
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Judi, as part of our determination to minimise the risk of theft of copyrighted material, our individual category forums have members only areas which can't be seen by anybody else
That means that everybody who visits those sections knows that there may be copyrights involved. It's a way for us to share as much as we want while retaining our individual rights and still allowing Guests to get a reasonable view of what CraftBoard is about
 There's a copyright statement right at the bottom of the screen, indicating that parts of CraftBoard are my copyright but that all posts are the copyright of the posters  Steve
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Oct 19 2005, 12:33 PM Post #16 |
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Steve, Thank you. I am not to concerned. Not to many "glassers" out there. If I have something that I am concerned about, I just don't post it. As I said, I will gladly share ANY of my items freely unless I state that they are copyrighted. Then I will share if permission is asked so I know who is using my patterns. All anyone has to do is email me. For the items that I post that I don't mention "copyright"...well, those are free for all to use, duplicate, enjoy if they wish. What an honor it is to have people like your work so much that they would want to try something that you have done! That is what crafting is all about. Thank you for doing all that you do to ensure that copyright holders are somewhat protected and their creative endeavors are not taken for granted. Judi |
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Oct 19 2005, 04:29 PM Post #17 |
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Copyright is undoubtedly abused most on the Internet, sadly, and it can be very difficult to know what is copyrighted, and what isn't. If you wish to show something but protect the pictures at least, then watermarking them is the best option available. If you discover that any CraftBoard member has violated a copyright, then please let me or Damien know right away! Steve |
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Oct 19 2005, 07:30 PM Post #18 |
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LOL Steve, I certaintly will. Thank you! Although, I have tracked down a few and made my point! Judi |
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