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Topic Started: Aug 15 2012, 11:46 PM (143 Views)
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That was fucking ridiculous :lol: :lol: :lol:

I had no idea what Two Face was doing, or I wouldn't have waited till the last minute to speak up. He has two rounds of immunity... I don't. :shrug
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Were you expecting it to play out like that? Who did you think the vote would be for going in?
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Were you expecting it to play out like that?  Who did you think the vote would be for going in?

With that voting room? I had no idea what to expect. As soon as I got that Venom shot I was like, fuck, why did I go for votes? :lawl

I had NO idea what Harvey was doing going into the round. His last PM to me was all cryptic about 6 names having come up (not including mine), 3 from each "side" and how he was fine in the middle. I guess the "sides" were the rumored group of 4 (Selina, Penguin, Riddler, and myself) vs the whole damn rest of the game... idfk, these people are crazy. He didn't even name which targets came up.

So going in I was like, I'm fucking immune. idgaf who leaves and I don't want to lead this. I don't think I would've gained much by joining in the convo, since it was all like a Catwoman interrogation or something. I knew Ra's/Black Mask did not want Croc to go, and would likely want Riddler or Catwoman instead. Penguin/Catwoman would probably vote Croc like it was discussed to them probably all day.

It all rested on Two Face, really. If I had known that he wanted Riddler out for sure, I wouldn't have hesitated to post about it. But I wasn't going to stick my neck out for no reason and have it bite me in the ass. Riddler's strong in challenges and fucking leads the voting rooms. It was not wise to make an enemy out of him if he wasn't leaving.

Once Two Face posted, I was like, k, Riddler needs to go. It wasn't even because I don't like him. I felt I had to do it, or else this game would turn into a 7 vs 4 thing, with me being in the 4. The ONLY way to quell a rumor is to DO something about it. NO amount of talk on my end would've convinced these fuckers that I was not in some group of 4 alliance. Furthermore, voting with Penguin/Selina/Riddler would only serve to solidify the alliance's "existence" in the other players' minds. By voting out Riddler, I piss off two people. By voting out Croc, I have nearly the rest of the game against me. Even if I wasn't their first choice of target, I wasn't looking to bury myself in a hole.

I really didn't expect things to go down the way they did, but then again... I had no real idea what would happen in the first place. Of course I can't meet non existent expectations ^_^

Anyway, as far as this round is concerned... I'm still at a loss over what to do. This is the PM I got from Ivy in response to the one I posted in last round's confesh:

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Alright, Darling, first there is no need to apologize. None at all. I am very slow at PMing and I feel as though we are close enough where I put our messages off, this is my fault. But at any time if we do need to send little quicker notes, then we must.

Ra's going after you is a complete shock to me. I NEVER heard anything like that. I am about to tell you what I do know though and I hate apologizing, it's not my style, Darling. I told you evil does not do such things, but the truth is, in this particular instance I must.

Last night, before PMs were cut The Joker was itching to make a move on you. Ra's? No fucking way. He and I are very close and we talk about you a lot and working together. Perhaps if he was in on something, he did not say it to me because of this? But I honestly do not think this comes from him. Harleen doesn't even like Ra's and she may be trying to save face for The Joker. Last night before PMs wrere cut, I heard that move was to be made from Two-Face, he told me the Joker was being retarded and we needed to not let that happen.

Your name has been put together with those 3, yes. But I haven't heard anyone directly targeting you. And I have always said Prometheus is NOT fond of Riddler trying to dispell those things. And even with that, Joker told me he wanted to take out a biggun, but did not name names. And Harvey sent me a msg waiting for my last reply telling me to try to get Joker to calm the fuck down.

Ra's has replied to me, he is after The Riddler/Penguin/Catwoman. So is Bane, so is Croc, so is Joke (or so he says) and I know Harvey is.

I think the crazies in this game are playing all angles is what this is. I think lots of alliances and tangled webs are out here. I will tell you EVERYTHING I have going on in this game after the round, even if it's to my detriment to reveal this to you, it can only help us both and make sure you are not hurt.

I honestly do not think you have anything to fear tonight. Plus, most of these idiots who think they can go after you are not winning challenges.

Also, I WILL ask Ra's of this rumor and see how he reacts to it. No hurt in that, right? If you want Ra's out or whatever the case, we can do it by the way. I am with you, not against you and never will be.

Curse you, but I have no time to use my tags of bolds and italics in this.  :rolleyes:


The tl;dr version of it was that she apparently had no idea about such a thing happening but was even willing to vote out Ra's if I wanted it. I guess ultimately that is the clincher for why I trust her. I don't believe it's misplaced faith, but these people bring out my paranoid side :/ Ugh, I trust her.

I've since got messages from her after the round about shit. Harley apparently said this to her:

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I told Prom that Ra was targeting him and suspecting that he was with Riddler/Penguin/Catwoman because honestly, I think Ra and Joker are idiots and I am NOT voting Prom out anytime soon like sure, he has to go eventually but he has done nothing wrong outside of being competent and fan worthy. If that warrants a boot then you and I should both GTFO too I guess? Ra and Joker are overplaying like no one’s business but I have not connected with Riddler or Penguin so them being challenge whores make them my biggest threats. One needs to go very soon so target wise I am looking at them and Ra/Joker are the perfect people to help oust one of those two.


I sent Ra's a message asking him if he did try to get the target on me on Tuesday. I didn't mention that Harley was the one to tell me though. What I do know for certain now, is that Joker's head on a platter would be preferred to Ra's'. ^_^ I honestly do not know if Ra's tried something on me or not, or if Harley is just trying to pit me against him and covering for the Joker. :iiam Perception, tbh, is not my forte so trying to figure out which of these people are lying to me and which aren't.... Ugh.

I also tried to see who the fuck even spread the alliance of 4 rumor, and this is what Bane gave me (alol):

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Really? I was very blunt to anyone who would listen that I hated Riddler, even Riddler himself knew that. Even when we partially made up, I knew that if he stuck around long enough, he would come after me sooner rather then later. So I had to do what I had to do. The way it all fell into place was really nice though.
That whole night was one big mess to be honest. Everyone was certain that we were going after either you, Riddler or Penguin, and everyone was all over the place who would eventually have been the target. Zsasz was after you, where I and Harley were after Riddler, and some others were after Penguin. It would have all relied on who got in the voting room.
You got a friend in Ivy for sure, so make sure you realize that. I'm sure she won't admit it directly to me, but I believe she has your back. Just as many others here, she's keeping her cards close to her and only gets more concrete when she needs to be.
Riddler only threatened me the last day with bullshit. And I'd run to Penguin and tell him I wasn't impressed. Oh, yesterday... so fun! Ah hahaha!


I srsly need to work on how I handle people not in my plans. It's so much simpler in Survivor and I know to lie to everybody and their mother in BB. I should know for this too. But I guess I'm a bit jaded and I really don't like snowing people for no reason anymore. It used to be fun, but now it's a chore. All those PMs about how you love somebody and will never vote them out when they're the next target? I used to do that, but now :alien

Anyway, that's all the drama about me being targeted etc etc. I think I touched on it all. I'm still wrapping my mind around everything so this update is probably all over the place <3

As far as the aftermath of the last round... Ra's/Two Face both came to me thanking me for what I did in the vote room and how they trust me so much more now. Which is good, right? :lawl Though I followed up Ra's message with that whole "did you target me" thing so I'm waiting on him to clear the air there. Two Face basically said he had his doubts about me, but now wants an alliance with me and Ivy. :o And then I apparently immediately made him paranoid again when, after accepting and doing the appropriate amount of gushing, I brought up Harley/Joker and was all like "I wonder where they stand!" So I haven't heard back from him yet, but Ivy sent me this:

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For now, Dent sent me something asking what you knew about The Joker and Harleen and why you may have asked where their heads were at. I told him the truth, I said that she told you Ra's was targeting you and I have no idea why. And I still don't. He is scared/concerned I may have told you what I did. (I did not tell him I did, so please don't either) But I just told him Harley told you Ra's was after you and that you were leary with her because of that and just put them together because you have a decent relationship with Ra's and him targeting you is preposterous. And he asked why you'd say that about them together. And I was like well, I am sure he lumped them together because they are lumped in together. What a silly question!

So act on that accordingly, or even trust him enough to tell him Harley told you that. That might be a good thing to do.

I also told him that I want Croc or Bane out tonight. He said we have to take out Penguin or Selina to make the whole game happy. My happiness comes before the game, especially the bottom feeders here, he really is quite silly today indeed.

I am tangled in a web, Darling, I told you I would discuss it last night, but I had to take leave. This is not going to be pretty for me.


:lawl Oops, I meant it as a harmless comment since I legit want to see if anybody actually knows where they stand. But I can understand why he'd be paranoid since he knew about Joker wanting me out, but didn't tell me. So much paranoia in this game <3 I am glad I am not alone in my experience! :evil grin

As far as tonight is concerned, I think that Penguin/Catwoman in particular are going to need immunity. Ivy and I don't want them gone before Bane/Croc. And I wouldn't mind Black Mask leaving either obvi. But that'd require us both to be in the voting room, along with Penguin/Catwoman. Two Face wanting to keep the game appeased :/ And the others all seem to want them dead. I think Bane is exposing his true colors with how readily he wants Penguin out now. HE was the one who put together our "alliance" and now he's jumping ship as fast as he can? alol, if that's how you're gunna play :o

I'm a bit worried that Penguin/Catwoman are both acting okay with last night's events to my face, but plotting for my demise behind my back. Catwoman thinks I left them out to dry (which, I kinda did, I'll admit) while she also told me that Penguin not only thinks that, he also thinks I was a huge part of the plan to take them down. Umm, no, I had no interest in getting you two out. And had Riddler been immune, I would've probably made the wrong choice (for my own game) last night and saved them over Croc <_< But I admit they both have good reason to hate me for ditching them for my own safety. We're villains, what do you expect? :lawl I'm doing damage control with them as best I can, but I could see them throwing me under given how bleak their futures look atm. I wouldn't blame them, but if they did such a thing... I'd definitely have to vote them out over Croc/Black Mask/Bane and I don't want to do that unless I have to. Not that it's up to me, but there are definitely certain voting scenarios where both could survive.

I also suspect that Penguin's thoughts on a bunch of people being aligned could be right. He thinks that Ra's/Two Face are in cahoots and brought in Croc/Black Mask since they were on the outs. Joker is tight with Croc. And Bane is probably somewhere in there too. I don't necessarily think they're one huge alliance, but I think there are definitely interweaving alliances across the board. Heck, Ivy is probably in it, but I trust that she is more with me than them. Harley's message to Ivy, that I posted earlier, at least eases my mind about her a bit. Joker needs to GTFO. Anyway, if such a big group alliance actually exists, I'm not OVERLY worried. I mean yes Black Mask/Croc/Bane have won a challenge or two, but I don't expect them ALL to be immune or ALL to be voting at any given point in time. Ra's/Two Face will be, but not them. imo, anyway. A group is only strong if all members have a great shot at being immune and/or voting.

I think that should be it in terms of wtf is going on with me atm. I don't have the time nor the energy to make a separate update for lurkers, sorry :/
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Lurkers do not like you anyway. I would not waste my time paying them any mind.

Besides the fact that it all changes every round with different groups of voters, how concerned are you about all those other deals, even if it is just some 2s and 3s that may overlap, as opposed to some larger group all working the same agenda?
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Lurkers do not like you anyway. I would not waste my time paying them any mind.

Besides the fact that it all changes every round with different groups of voters, how concerned are you about all those other deals, even if it is just some 2s and 3s that may overlap, as opposed to some larger group all working the same agenda?

Then I would make it my duty to bore them to tears <3

I'm concerned about the other groups of 2/3s I guess, but those are impossible to tell who is loyal to who. Everybody here has a million deals floating around, so I put my trust in those who give me a heads up about say, being targeted. Oh wait, that would pretty much be nobody. Sounds about right ^_^

I think larger groups are just more concerning because the more people you have with you, the more likely that you have a group of people protecting you at a vote meeting. Gather a group of people that are competent in challenges, and you run the risk of allowing them to control the whole game. The amount of worry stems from who is included in the group, not so much how many. I mean an alliance of Harley/Joker/Croc/Black Mask would make me scoff rather than worry. To control anything, you damn well better align with people who don't suck or are throwing every challenge under the sun -_-

I guess to an extent Ra's/Two Face possibly being in cahoots is the most concerning. Both are likely to be voting every round and immune as well. I would not want to be their target du jour.

Also, writing the lurker update, I realized I posted the wrong quote of Bane's :lawl I meant this:

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But it was Bane of course! Ah hahaha! It didn't start out that way though. I was always pushing for Riddler, which eventually became Riddler+Penguin because I knew Penguin was close to him. Then before the Zsasz boot, Zsasz was suddenly rallying people to go against you, and that's why you got grouped with them. I don't know why he targeted you out of all people, because I had spoken with him about hating Riddler all day, but maybe they had struck a deal or something? I think Catwoman got thrown into the mix of the alliance because of Ra voting her, and Riddler protecting her. Catwoman has been pretty clear trying to play a floater game, and Ra basically demolished that. Then after the Zsasz boot, pretty much everyone went hardcore after the supposed 'alliance of 4'. But me and Poison Ivy were pretty adamant in trying to say you weren't part of it, but in the end, out of the 4, you were the target mentioned the least, so I'm sure you would have been fine anyway. That's why I mentioned it would be wise for you to distance yourself from Riddler. Glad you did that, because I would have hated to see you group with the wrong people.
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Well, bear in mind, as rounds go on, the number of voters and venom shots decrease. By how much and when? I cannot say.

So you say you'd pretty much know it's true if people came and told you your name had circulated. What a novel idea. Who are the people you are connected to (even by association) that you feel that you can put the most/least faith in for whatever reason.
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Decreasing numbers <3 Yeah I remember that about this format, and I should probably look at past colo games to see the usual pattern. I don't expect it to follow the same way here, but it should be fairly close.

Well what I meant is that I would be more willing to trust and believe them if they came to me and told me I was in danger, yeah. I know I'm very telling in who I want to keep/who I am willing to let go of. I gave Penguin a warning, but I never gave Riddler/Catwoman one. Likewise when Croc was being brought up, I only warned him after I knew he already knew. I don't like spreading shit like that, and I never have :/

I feel I can put the most faith in Ivy given how reassuring she has been in messages I feel like I can put the least faith in Bane/Joker because the former has a hidden agenda I am not a part of and I feel if he can drop an alliance HE made so fast and even push for a member's demise... he surely would do the same to me in a heartbeat. Joker is just a shady motherfucker.

The rest I feel varying levels of trust twoards, but not a damn lot tbh.
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Ew while I was here and not checking at ORGY, it appears all hell broke loose with GTS *fanz*
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This is all so very fucked up. I can't even with these people :lol:

Two Face wants to keep this all simple and vote Penguin or Catwoman tonight since they are game wide targets, and would keep everybody calm going into the weekend.

Ivy doesn't want them out and we're thinking of actually putting Joker/Croc on the table if we're in the right voting room. Why? Because we've come to the conclusion that they have 3some alliances with the both of us and Two Face (Joker/Croc just approached me today). Lord knows who else they're "with"

Catwoman will not shut up about how nobody gave her a heads up last night about the alliance rumor we were shoved in. Umm, maybe I didn't tell you cause I don't trust you to stay calm? :/ I do know I'm a terrible ally for not telling you, you don't need to bring that situation up in every message.

I do believe that Harley lied to me about Ra's, after speaking with him. We've cleared the air, imo, and we should be fine now.

Apparently he may want a group of 4 with him, Harvey, Ivy and I. That would be one strong group if it comes to fruition.

Penguin is targeting Croc, no shockers there. I am hoping the voting room goes down to 5 tonight and that Penguin, Ivy and I are all there. Two Face too, but he would probably push Penguin/Cat if they're not immune. I can defo understand where he's coming from tho about not making ppl paranoid over 3 days off and allowing Penguin/Cat time to scramble.

At the same time, I really want to vote one of Joker/Bane/Black Mask tonight. Not really Croc cause I still like the guy, but him too over Penguin.

Do I go for voting rights tonight, or not? That is the question :unsure:
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Tangled webs <3333
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oh god. oh god. OH GOD. Who will we even vote out? LOLOL shit. fuck. This is going to be ugly.
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Good ^_^
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