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| Topic Started: Oct 2 2005, 06:47 AM (1,332 Views) | |
| Donald | Oct 17 2005, 08:59 PM Post #16 |
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Dang! I meant to mention that, but I got all tied up in spy fantasies. Singh isn't as complete or accurate as Kahn, but is much more accessable. He turns the history of cryptography into a great story. Donald |
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| cows | Oct 17 2005, 09:17 PM Post #17 |
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I am trying to get the book at the moment - but am a bit shocked at the 2nd class posting!! I for one wouldn't mind paying like 2-3 pounds for 1st class |
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| insecure | Oct 17 2005, 11:04 PM Post #18 |
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I got my copy from a bookshop. Postage cost: 0. |
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| cows | Oct 18 2005, 02:42 PM Post #19 |
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Ah yes but, was it a signed copy? That is why i want to get it online. |
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Everything is possible, The impossible just takes longer If we do not know what a particle is doing then it is allowed t do everything possible simultaneously. "Anyone who can contemplate Quantum Mechanics without getting dizzy, didn't understand it." | |
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| insecure | Oct 18 2005, 06:25 PM Post #20 |
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No, but that's a solvable problem. If I wanted to badly enough, I could simply sign it. The procedure is a simple one. |
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| Donald | Oct 19 2005, 09:05 PM Post #21 |
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Ok, a brief review of every single crypto book in my library. Listed in the order I obtained them. ("Alvin and Zim may be switched, I'm not certain which I got first on those two) --- "How to write Codes and Send Secret Message" by John Peterson. ISBN: 0590026062 Sometimes also listed as "Codes and Secret Messages" This was my first code book. I ordered it out of one of those "scholastic" magazines. It's aimed at kids about 7 to 10. It strictly covers very simple methods of encryption, no cryptanalysis here. My favorite was probably the "Hidden Words" stegonagraphy code where you write a message in very light pencil, then cover it with letters written in red marker or crayon. And you read the message by applying a sheet of transparent red cellophane over the text (thus obscuring the red letters and revealing the grey). I was in first grade and I LOVED it. If you have a little kid and want to get them interested in writing codes, picking up an old used copy of this book would not be a bad place to start. --- "Alvin's Secret Code" by Clifford B. Hicks. ISBN: 0590085042 Another Scholastic purchase, this is probably the cyptrography book that had the strongest effect on me. It's a fun story, it teaches basic encryption AND cryptanalysis, and more. It even points out that being a cryptanalyst can give you advantages in normal life. Alvin and his friends break a store code and figure out what the original prices and purchase dates were of all the items in the store. Which they then use to GREAT advantage while making purchases. If you can only buy one book to get a kid interested in codes, this is the one. The others are all very good, Zim is technically more complete, but this one really made me fall in love with cryptanalysis. --- "Codes and Secret Writing" by Herbert S. Zim (Authorized Abridgment) ISBN: 033002822 I wish I could find the unabridge version of this. The abridged version was, you guessed it, another "Scholastic Paperbacks" purchase made at school. Peterson's little book was certainly a good start, but I outgrew it very quickly. Zim's book filled the gap and stepped me up to the next level. I has some brief history, covers codes, ciphers, transposition, some simple steganography, invisible inks, and, best of all, an entire chapter on breaking secret codes that covers frequency analysis for mono substitution ciphers and how to undo simple matrix transpositions. It's aimed at young people, but this is a GREAT book for the begining cryptographer of any age.--- "The Code Breakers" by David Kahn. ISBN: 0684831309 This is IT. THE definitive history of cryptography. If you are interested in crypto, your home library should not be without this book. Sure, it's big and expensive, BUT, it's interesting, and educational. Being a cryptanalyst without owning a copy of Kahn is like being a Christian who doesn't have a copy of the Bible. --- "The Code Book" by Simon Singh. ISBN: 0385495323 Not as comprehensive and (I'm told) not as accurate as Kahn. But then, who could be? In order to love Kahn, you really have to love cryptography. But Singh manages to tell the story of cryptography in a way that could even hold the interest of people who were not otherwise interested in codes and ciphers. This book would be a great way to explain to your family why you spend so much time staring at jumbled up letters and numbers... --- "Cryptanalysis, a study of ciphers and their solution". by Helen Fouche Gaines. ISBN: 0486200973 This book isn't exactly user friendly, but that's not it's purpose. This is a serious set of tools for breaking ciphers of all kinds. You sometimes have to work hard to understand what Helen is trying to teach you, but once you figure it out, you go, "AH! Wow! What a CLEVER idea!" You can get this book cheap from Dover. If you are serious about pen and paper cryptanalysis, you should own this book. --- "The Navajo Code Talkers" by Doris A. Paul. ISBN:0805945903 This is a story that was kept secret for far to long. During WWII, The Navajo, despite all of the bad treatment they have received, voluntered in droves in order to help this country win the war. They formed a group called the "Navajo Code Talkers" that helped the Marines to communicate securely by using a code based on the Navajo language. The code was never broken. The enemy couldn't even figure out how to write it down so they could begin analysis. Forget the movie, it didn't really tell the story. Get the book. This is a FANTASTIC story of brave people and one of the very rare codes in history that held up against all attacks. --- "Decrypted Secrets, Methods and Maxims of cryptoglogy" by Friedrich L. Bauer. ISBN: 3540668713 It's not as exciting as Kahn or Singh, it's not as useful for pen and paper as Gains, but there is a lot of good information in this book. And more info on modern cryptography than any of the others. --- "Codes, Ciphers and Secret Writings" by Martin Gardner. ISBN: 0486247619 This book would have been much more influential on me if I had gotten it when I was younger and newer at this. It's a good book. It quotes Khan a LOT. It Gives a good array of transposition, substitution ciphers, and even covers several polyalphabetic types. It has sections on simple code machines, and a fun section covering especially unusual forms of codes. Gardners's Invisible Inks chapter has even more variety than Zim's book. The cryptanalysis chapter is brief, but covers a lot of useful techniques. AND, Gardner's book has one REALLY big advantage over Zim's. It's still in print. --- "Cryptorunes, Codes and Secret Writing, A Puzzle Book" by Clifford A. Pickover ISBN: 0764912518 This is a very pretty book full of cryptographic runes for the reader to decipher. I haven't gotten very far into it yet for the simple reason that I find working with the runes somewhat akward because I have to photocopy the pages and then do everything with pen and paper. I'm used to doing even my pen and paper cryptography on the computer in a text editor. But that is not a slam against the book. It's pretty, and challenging, and I'll get all the way through it someday...
--- And that's pretty much every crypto book in my dead trees library. (I've got other resources on disk of course) Donald |
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| rot13 | Oct 19 2005, 09:47 PM Post #22 |
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I need to go through my books and see what I have. I know I have The Codebreakers and The Code Book. Simon Singh was the guest speaker at the ACA convention when it was in Denver so I got to hear him and also have lunch with him. He's a really nice, interesting guy. Aegean Park Press is a great source for classical cryptography book, including many of William Friedman's books. Also, you can get the U.S. Army Field Manual 34-40-2 on cryptanalysis for free. Also there is FM 34-54 on Technical Intelligence. |
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| rot13 | Oct 19 2005, 10:17 PM Post #23 |
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Oh, one other source for classical crypto books is Classical Crypto Books It is run by Gary Rasmussen (RAGYR) who is also the treasurer of the ACA. He's a good guy and I have ordered from him several times. He gives discounts to ACA members, and you can also buy an ACA membership through his site. |
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| Revelation | Oct 19 2005, 10:27 PM Post #24 |
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Thanks for the link
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| insecure | Oct 20 2005, 05:39 AM Post #25 |
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I'm sorry to say I don't recall that lunch at all. |
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| cows | Oct 21 2005, 09:19 AM Post #26 |
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is insecure simon singh by any chance? Nice book list though, i have really just looked on the net and on here. Need to get some of those i think |
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Everything is possible, The impossible just takes longer If we do not know what a particle is doing then it is allowed t do everything possible simultaneously. "Anyone who can contemplate Quantum Mechanics without getting dizzy, didn't understand it." | |
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| rot13 | Nov 7 2005, 09:34 PM Post #27 |
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It doesn't look like Classical Crypto Books is around anymore. I tried to order some stuff from him last week, the fax number is disconnected and he doesn't seem to be answering e-mail. I think you can also order books from the ACA, I noticed some books for sale in a recent issue of The Cryptogram. On a related note, I finally loaded the PDFs of all The Cryptogram issues from the 1930's-2002 onto my machine over the weekend. If you join the ACA, I think they're still sending you a free copy. There's a lot of great stuff in there. |
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| cows | Nov 8 2005, 03:51 PM Post #28 |
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Nothing crypto but a book by georges perec, 'La Disparition' (A Void when translated) - a book written without the use of the letter 'e' - except maybe on the front cover when he spelled his name. Originally written in french, without the letter e appearing once in the novel. Later translated into English, still without the use of the letter e. NOPE you heard me correct, a novel - not a poem or a short story. A full blown 320 page book!!
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Everything is possible, The impossible just takes longer If we do not know what a particle is doing then it is allowed t do everything possible simultaneously. "Anyone who can contemplate Quantum Mechanics without getting dizzy, didn't understand it." | |
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| rot13 | Nov 8 2005, 04:36 PM Post #29 |
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There is also a book called Gadsby that is over 50,000 words (the minimum length for a novel) and also contains no E's. It seems much more readable than the quoted material from La Disparation:
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| cows | Nov 8 2005, 06:02 PM Post #30 |
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Thanks for the link - i've only read a small portion but i like it. Lots better than my french one, as it makes for quite a hard read - but this one is generally easier. |
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