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Do u think God is real?
Topic Started: Mar 21 2006, 10:11 PM (814 Views)
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Cya ViggosHT but I don't want you to go. :'(
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ViggosHT,Sep 23 2006
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I mean no disrespect to you or anyone on this thread.However I am taking this quote,since it is about the difference in belief,and I am bringing up a belief.

The belief that is it a right of himanity to destroy it's world,in any way shape or form,in order to make things,'easier' for them! War ,pollution, whatever it takes to make an easier life.

That is a belief I find unbelieveable to me. And most of those same folk do not believe in God.


I do not believe that. I don't know anyone who believes that. I don't believe in God. ;)

What is it you do not believe and perhaps I did not phrase it correctly,it is my belief that folks who care nothing for their world or much of anything else,do not believe in God either.

I believe in God,however I do not share the vision of those who do not. Just as I would not push my belief on anyone,I also would not like them to push their beliefs onto me.I do not believe in all the pollution causing ways in this world. Yet,I do have to live with it all around me. I have not driven an automobile since 1997. I have a bicycle.

And am living for the days of alternative energy.

That is VERY commendable, Viggy! :hyper: I haven't driven (regularly) since 1998, and that's not easy in a place (L.A. area) where EVERYONE drives EVERYWHERE, like from their driveway to the corner store a mere 50 yards away! :blink:

Pollution is a threat to everyone; but few can do anything about it, directly.

Alternative fuel sources are available today - but the oil companies keep them back and people are too lazy and cheep to spend the time, effort, and money to "save the planet" for our children... and their children... and so on!!! :x

Just my viewpoint.

The Doc B/ & :thim:

P.S. Oh; I see you've become upset and left the thread, Viggy? :'( That is a shame, because everyone's opinions, beliefs, and viewpoints are respectfully appreciated and desperately needed in a mature and friendly debate... and that means you too, Viggy! :yes: Simply because someone disagrees with you doesn't necessarily mean you (or they) are wrong - just a difference of opinions is all, agreed? :wub: Please don't leave the thread, Viggy (*looks around at all the atheists in here, anxiously* :unsure: ) I need some company here with all these "non-believers" here against lonely me, PLEASE?!!! :fear: :help: ;) :D :lol:

Please come back? :wub: :flowers: :hug: :console:

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see if you pray to god i want superpowers or win a million $s its not going to haooen so you loose faith and say god inst reall praying doesnt work but it does praying give you hope it gives you something to hold on to.
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master,Oct 17 2006
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see if you pray to good i want superpowers or win a million $s its not going to haooen so you loose faith and say god inst reall praying doesnt work but it does praying give you hope it gives you something to hold on to.

Agreed; but I differ from your viewpoint in one small way, Master... :yes:

I, for sure, KNOW that prayer helps, and God does listen; but a good father would NEVER give his son (children) msomething that's going to be "bad" for them - so you don't always get what you want, see? :angel:

God sends me EVERYTHING... I "need", but like the Rolling Stones' song says,

"You don't always get what you want.
You don't always get what you want.
You don't always get what you want.
But if you try (pray) some times
you might find...
You get what you NEED! Oh, yeah."

I say "the Lord's Prayer" every day, just before I eat" and don't ask for anything I don't really need, and He supplies ALL that I require, see?! :yes:

If your child asked for a bomb, would you give it to him - if you loved him? :no:

Not likely.

Praying for a million dollars ("It is harder for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven, than for a camel to fit through the eye of a needle") it won't help you get what you REALLY need, but only separate you from that which you need the MOST... God!!! ;)

Praying for OTHERS is better (and works more times too) than praying for yourself! :help: Pray for those you love AND your enemies too - and pray they pray too!!! :yes: :D :wub:

LOVE conquers ALL!!! :hyper:

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thats what im saying if you pray to god pleae let me get a bomb for christmas hes listening but the odds are no. i pray to god every night he given everthing a roof over my head a great family and thats all i need.

one thing about eveolution if we eveoled from apes why are they still around i dont belive the eveolution thing.


and also you know the BIG BANG theroy where there was a bunch of heat and it exploed and there the univers well i dont belive it but it couldve happend god coulve put all the heat there and everthing meaing for it to explode and the univers but i still think god created the univers.

science cant explain eberthing.
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Agreed; Master - except I do believe in Evolution, and the Big Bang Theories; but I also believe Science can't explain everything (like Indeminishable Complexity and Intellegent Design) but tries to explain (just as the Bible does from a mythological vantage-point) the things that God (whoever or whatever that may be) is and has done! :angel: :yes:

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DrThimmel,Oct 19 2006
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Agreed; Master - except I do believe in Evolution, and the Big Bang Theories; but I also believe Science can't explain everything (like Indeminishable Complexity and Intellegent Design) but tries to explain (just as the Bible does from a mythological vantage-point) the things that God (whoever or whatever that may be) is and has done! :angel: :yes:

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why do you belve evoulution just asking it couve happend mabye god planned it that way.

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we were all problaay living in heaven before we were born and then god would say ok you going down to earth and you wont rember anything and hes right you dont remeber anything you know i aually think it couldve been like that and once he snet you down then its up to you.
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God is real. I do my best for him. I will see him one day, and go to heaven. I feel bad for the ones in hell. But, the point is, he's real. Well, i belive he is. Hey i started this! I was Jedi_of_the_hobbie14. wow. So that was my name. I forgot! LOL! But, God is, real, and i fear for the ones who are going to hell.
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why do you belve evoulution just asking it couve happend mabye god planned it that way.

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we were all problaay living in heaven before we were born and then god would say ok you going down to earth and you wont rember anything and hes right you dont remeber anything you know i aually think it couldve been like that and once he snet you down then its up to you.


I believe in evolution, because it is the best "theory" science has to offer today, but I also believe in the Bible as well... confusing isn't it?!!! :board:
I don't believe they contradict eachother, but instead confirm eachother! :yes:

There is a Jewish "sect" that beieve there are only a set amount of souls that God made, and they await their time to be put into a baby that's being born. Some say that when the "new souls" run out, that's when the evil "Anti-Christ" will be born. :fear: I have heard in some Jewish sects (before the Bible was collected and "canonized" from all the Jewish manuscripts and letters written by the Apostles mention of this was "omitted" for their own reasons - the "College Of Cardinals" formed by Emperor Constantine to solidify the control of the divided Roman Empire under ONE God, and ONE Ruker, himself; to form the "Holy Roman Empire) there are specific scriptures that relate to "reincarnation" as well! :huh: I believe this is quite possible too! :yes:

As to "Hell" being a firey place of eternal torment... :no: not really. Biblical scriptures never state there is fire and devils poking you with pitchforks and such nonsense! :devil: :twisted: :no: It was the "simile" to the Ghennah (Garbage dump outside the city walls of Jerusalem) that started this "fable" but the FACT is: Hell is near heaven (in the old testiment, a man dies and cries out towards heaven to be allowed in; and after Jesus died, he too went there, but released all the souls trapped there and resurrected from Hell) like the garbage dump outside Jerusalem, and the "torment" of Hell is eternal "separation" from God. To be forever cut-off from the Light & Goodness of God is the punishment in Hell, but not tortured eternally by demons... that's just the "fairy-tale scare-tactics" the church used/uses to exercise "power and control" over it's parishoners; if you aren't good - as in doing what WE tell you to do - then you'll be tortured by demons in a lake of fire forever! :fear: :sweating: That's just not Biblically accurate nor true! :no:

(Hey, where's my "Love Doctor" smiley?) B/
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I believe in evolution, because it is the best "theory" science has to offer today, but I also believe in the Bible as well... confusing isn't it?!!! 



NO. Evolution is wrong. And pathedic. The one who ceated it, when he died, he last words were. "i wish i could have taken all this back." He hated God. And he knew God created everything. But did not want to admit it. I belive God made us and everything. Heres somthing. If we came from monkeys, then how come the monkeys today are not human? Because we did not come from Monkeys. I belive in God with all my heart, soul and mind. :D
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Jedi_of_the_hobbit5,Nov 25 2006
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I believe in evolution, because it is the best "theory" science has to offer today, but I also believe in the Bible as well... confusing isn't it?!!! 



NO. Evolution is wrong. And pathedic. The one who ceated it, when he died, he last words were. "i wish i could have taken all this back." He hated God. And he knew God created everything. But did not want to admit it. I belive God made us and everything. Heres somthing. If we came from monkeys, then how come the monkeys today are not human? Because we did not come from Monkeys. I belive in God with all my heart, soul and mind. :D

And so do I, I believe with every fiber of my being; but I also believe in science, and there's a "new theory" out now by people that wanted to PROVE the theory of "Natural Selection" and evolution, but only ended up proving "Irreducable Complexity" and "Intelligent Design" are at the beginning of life here - so what do you think of THAT?!!! :yes:

Science disproves evolution (if you go all the way back to the very FIRST life on Earth) and proves the necessity for there to be a "God" to have had life start here, okay?!!! Science helps prove God! :angel:

No need to get hostile, JOTH5; we are just having a friendly debate here; not an angry agrument, right? ;) Lighten up, dude. :D

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I did not get mad. See with me, you can never know if i am mad or sad, or ok. Just make sure you read with mine. But, anyways. What ever. See, i don't beive in the new stuff. Science, does not aslways prov God. A lot of times they say, like the big bang, and the earth just appeard. How can somthing be created out of nothing. Really, nothing was there. There is some points i do agree with you DR. But, still, everyone had thier point of view. :D
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Jedi_of_the_hobbit5,Nov 25 2006
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I did not get mad. See with me, you can never know if i am mad or sad, or ok. Just make sure you read with mine. But, anyways. What ever. See, i don't beive in the new stuff. Science, does not aslways prov God. A lot of times they say, like the big bang, and the earth just appeard. How can somthing be created out of nothing. Really, nothing was there. There is some points i do agree with you DR. But, still, everyone had thier point of view. :D

Agreed! :hyper:

Science does prove (however) what God is and does/did; because otherwise either would be wrong, and neither are - in my honest opinion! :yes:

God was there, and nothing else existed; so what's so hard to believe that the Big Bang "theory" contradicts God in any way? :no:

God is truth and goodness... and science seeks to discover truth and the natural order of things (goodness) so in fact - Science seeks God.

I have "faith" in God and Jesus - nothing is stronger in me, but love.
I have "belief" in Science and Facts - they are the revelations of eternity and reality.
QUOTE: Myself, just now. :yes:

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Failure is... NOT an option, here!

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Yes, have faith! But, i have my own point, and everyone has their own. :D :yes:
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