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The bible; comments please
Topic Started: Jun 6 2006, 03:25 PM (1,092 Views)
Groenerizla
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so im going to edit this alot just so you know

also i dont know wich direction i'm going with this so please... keep the flaming low

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The bible i dont realy know WHEN it was created but i know that it was created by man, not a huge arm coming from the skie holding a parkerŪ pen and wrighting stuff down, This is what my history teachers said to me
so in the time of the first churches , people where very hungry , sad and sick these where dark times
and dont forget people where alot more ignorent those days * a witch... no realy?*
so from what my old history teacher told me that the first churches where run by fat monks , wich got food from the farmers wich where very hungry and willing to die for somthing powerfull and mercyfull so they gave there food away , now the monks where realy fat from eathing chicken and other meat * old painthings he showd me, ofcourse paintings ar all that they ar * the group of farmers wich had barely a thing to eat themselfs gave there food away , for a savior and happyniss in another lifetime

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And he spake a parable unto them : Can the blind lead the blind ? shall they not both fall into the ditch [luke 6:39]

So the vatican up in italy , this is the.. central god station here on earth one might say, the vatican dismises scrolls that aperently wrighting by jesus christ found in egypt becaus they did not co-op with the way of the bible known to man this day in time to maniplitate a person's beleve in a higher ''being''
i myself do not beleve in a heavon or hell or a ''test life '' where i have to proof im worthy to get into heaven
#6"Thou shall not murder/kill''(it faries) who of us has never killed a Ant or Fly ?
and i've never ever been to church to pray or confes my sins, only to check out the nice architexture
so for one to gain acces to heaven you must never kill anything pray weekly and keep your fingers crost you got the right religion
#2 "Thou shall have no other gods besides Me... Do not make a sculpted image or any likeness of what is in the heavens above..." i also a remember movies about heaven.. this is not good atleast not for me..
Also God did not have any problem asking a person to give up his son, or to set a bush on fire or to give a person/son power to heal and devide a sea...
you would think he would bitchslap the world leaders of today... or atleast take care of the melting ice etc.

going to watch tv now


this all dosint make sens right now.. ill work on it

post comments ?
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It's not meant to be taken literally as it is today.
The circumstances in which it was made was Roman. The Roman religion was tied in with the Roman society. There were several small cults, including christianity, that were allowed to operate in that society. The Romans did NOT persecute, this is a misconception. The Romans simply required all citizens to participate in a few religious holidays, aside from that they could worship whatever they wanted.
The Christians had a problem with this, and so they started a fuss and commited treason. Treason is punishable, hence they get the idea they were "persecuted" when in fact they were given ample chance to take it back.
Anyhoo, these differant faiths were paths to afterlives. Their history and their gods and all that were NOT TO BE TAKEN LITERALLY. The two biggest of these, the cults of Mithryas and Isis (latter banned by christians), had the same thing.
Don't blame them though, it's the more modern Christians that ruined it. A few hundred years ago or so. The old school ones were fine.
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Something that I have always thought about concerning the Bible is the fact that most copies are the King James version.

I don't know much about King James but I know a lot of British royalty in general were corrupt, inbred, and deceitful. Who's to say that whatever was in the original Bible survived the translation? If King James had the translation run by him word for word before he approved it, he could easily have said "No, don't translate that part." Or "For god's sake, not that part! It will make the peasants riot! Change it to where it sounds like This instead..."
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I've been studying world religions for some time and the bible has a long history of being written, re-written and edited for reasons of power and politics.

The web is a fantastic source and especially wikipedia for learning some basics.

Dr. Jim is quite right about the Romans, and indeed Constantine had a huge impact on the version of the bible we see today. King James just carried on the tradition of trying to make the bible more accessible to the masses and not just for the interpretation of the Roman Catholic church.

I would suggest you look up information about Zorasterism and you will see some interesting parallels to the old testaments. Zoraster's worshiped a holy fire (much like Moses' burning bush) and a number of their creation stories (one man's myth is another man's religion) are extremely similar to stories in the bible such as Noah and the great flood for example. The bible, for a number of reason, found it beneficial to "borrow" stories so as to gain followers. I am not discounting religion or Christianity, but that the politics behind it are part of what gives us today's bible.

I've been reading a great deal about the possible religions/beliefs of the early European people of paloelithic era (15,000 year ago and more). Many people then lived in small villages, gathered local vegetation, kept a few animals and worshipped a female goddess - based on their awe of the power of creation. These beliefs lasted into the beginning of the Agricultural age that started about 10,000 years ago. At that time other bands of nomads who benefited from herding animals and horses starting coming into the region from the steppes (now parts of Russia and older Mongolia). The nomads had mostly male gods based on the archetype of their herds; one stallion to many mares. Therefore, they either crushed or assimilated the goddess worshipers and changed the direction of spiritual beliefs for the following millenia.

Okay, too much to write and too much to push on this forum, but I thought I would increase the time scale beyond the calendar of the writing of the Judeao-Christian bible.

As usual, I'm not here to upset anyone, but provide some food for thought!

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Dr. Jim: This isn't entirly true. There were some Roman Emperors who killed Christians just for being Christian. And this lead to even more people converting to Christianity, because heres a group of people unafraid to be brutally killed out of promise of eternal peace and happyness....

As for the Bible; yes, it was written by the hand of man and changed throughout history. But I think you're point to Catholicism. Protestant churches don't see the Vatican as some holy place, most don't believe you HAVE to go to church.... in fact, many modern protestant churches say you just have to accept Jesus as your personal Lord and Savior, and stay away from the 'big' sins.

Of course, this rule varies between branches and individual churches within them....
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wow ye thank for all the coments i dont realy quite know wich direction i'm going with it its just that i strongly beleve the vatican and just the whole''church'' is tricking people into spending there lives in a way i sireusly doubt is any fun and than when they die , they get into heaven/hell or rot away, ofcourse it can be justified by saying it is a kind of worldpeace ofcourse if -everyone- would be christian or jewish or ... everyone would be happy but its not , people ar killing people as we speak in the name of there almighty lord
And for the taking the bible with a grain or salt, is not going to cut it i have started reading the bible alot of times never able to finish tho not becaus its boring but i just have a realy crappy edition here , after reading a '' chapter'' its clear to me its nothing more than a story , fiction

But all in all , teach a child at a young age he is a monkey , he wil contineu to think so

there is this old christian priest i talk to everyday on my way to my work i come acros him and we discus some isseus like for instance...

If i would to kill 200 people... go to jaill confess my sinns see the light etc.
i would gain acces to heaven just like anyone els , Especialy if you ar made to die with a electric chair

He is scared by Homosexual man, he thinks they go to hell just like the lesbians,
why would god hate the gay's did he not say love thy neighbor
the ''church'' just was unable to accept gay people back in the day so they changed the Rule and now hundreds years later gay people get atackd on the streets for being difrent

good work

good morning btw
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The [good] Roman emperors between Tiberious and Domition[sp] didn't harm Christians unless provoked first. Tiberious was the guy under whom Jesus was killed, he was also only the second emperor ever (unless you count Julius, then he is the third). Dominition gave them many public positions, and paved the way for Constantine to really get into them.

Note I said good. A couple, such as Nero or Claudius, went nuts and can't be held accountable for their actions.
...Matt was no exception to this. When he stood in the street and noticed his chest started to really hurt again, he made the decision to look down. He screamed like a grown man would scream when that grown man sees a laser burning his chest, and that is like a little girl...
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man i couldent sleep last night so i was watching nationgeo. andd there was this show on called... a dark and cold past i beleve

anyway it was about the stuff that happend mostly in arabian cultures but also right here in europe about burning witches , and linxing homosexuals and seting ''criminals'' on fire
and aperently there was NOT a csi team at the time and place to confirtm the criminals being criminals ofcourse... and witches.. whell that was just stupid and for the homosexual's not much has changed since 300 - 500? years ye.. they can live but arent acepted into the comunity mostly

and aperently the mayor who was also a priest ? set all the witches.and homosexuals.and the criminals /onfire/orworse

Now How the hell would you gain acces to heaven after killing somany humans.
Ofcourse god says that f you ar truely sry everything is forgiven
but if you do somthing that is wrong but it was a real nice thing to do for someone els
You wil not regret it and thus not being sorry for it
anyway that was one priest who did not go to heaven :)
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Everyone knows they aren't people! I thought Adolf cleared this up for us?
...Matt was no exception to this. When he stood in the street and noticed his chest started to really hurt again, he made the decision to look down. He screamed like a grown man would scream when that grown man sees a laser burning his chest, and that is like a little girl...
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Jun 9 2006, 03:30 PM
Everyone knows they aren't people! I thought Adolf cleared this up for us?

No. He just took massive doses of drugs and went insane.

Attacking his countries economic backbone as well as the world's greatest scientists. Then allying with the Japanese (if he hadn't allied with them, the Americans would not have retaliated against Germany after Pearl Harbor.) and attacking Mother Russia. Idiot.

20:20 hindsight bias aside, back to Bible =)

From what I've seen, the Bible seems to contain a great way to live your life, but a lot of things that don't make a bit of sense.

Even if it is true (personally I'm assuming it is, but have not gotten to my religious study yet) it was so perversed by early church leaders to cotnrol their people that who even knows? It might have been right, but now it's not because it got changed too much, and God just sorta shakes his head in wonder.
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Everyone knows they aren't people! I thought Adolf cleared this up for us?

That is what the prosocuter said in the case of Nicole Ceuasceu (I may have spelled it wrong) saying that, although he was against the death penalty, that he would love to see him Ceuasceu die because "We werent talking about people' Cesasceu got AK bullets to the head
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well i agree that the bible ahs to many versions and we cant trust neof them to be true they were translated for the persons best benifit. Unless you can read the aeint lanquage i believe its written the hebrew which isnt the right word for it but none the less you cant trust what somebody says they are human and humans are corrupt and use it for their needs. plus you cant exspect everything about god and about the religon to be in 1 small book "small in comparison with the overall religon"
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The original bible was written by the prophets. The prophets were bascially just a couple of guys that followed Jesus. God sent the messages to the prophets, who then wrote them down. Of course, humans arent't perfect so back then, i'm sure people got thier hands on the book and started to add thier own bits and pieces. There are thousands of versions of the bible. This is because the bible was written 2000 years ago, it was made for that time. People had to decipher it and make it fit for today's world.
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The original bible was written by the prophets. The prophets were bascially just a couple of guys that followed Jesus. God sent the messages to the prophets, who then wrote them down. Of course, humans arent't perfect so back then, i'm sure people got thier hands on the book and started to add thier own bits and pieces. There are thousands of versions of the bible. This is because the bible was written 2000 years ago, it was made for that time. People had to decipher it and make it fit for today's world.

I'm not sure how these "prophets" heard what God had to say. Did they have their radios dialed in just right or what?
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hahahahahahah...


Tom Joad i wish i can truthfully answer that question... thats just what i choose to believe. I didn't say it as if it was fact, sorry if it came out that way.
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