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Abortion is wrong
Topic Started: Jul 1 2006, 01:38 AM (4,045 Views)
Kett
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Why should any woman have any right to kill her own unborn fetus?

It makes no sense!

She has no idea whether or not that kid is gonna be the next Einstien or just a little shit.

I am however, pro post-natal abortions from 2 to 18 years of age, because once parents get to know their kids they should have the option to be rid of them for the good of society.
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I take maddox's stance: I'm pro-choice if that means I get to choose which babies I could abort, only then if I could lift the age restriction to 80... although I'd also throw in something about eating said aborted peoples...
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Jul 1 2006, 01:42 AM
I take maddox's stance: I'm pro-choice if that means I get to choose which babies I could abort, only then if I could lift the age restriction to 80... although I'd also throw in something about eating said aborted peoples...

Ah yes, his Regressive Party stance.

I love the "I'm not pro choice, I'm pro abortion. I say we just kill all them little f**kers!"
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No, it was not pro-choice or pro-abortion. He was against abortion but for killing babies, if I recall correctly.
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yeah, he's neither pro-life nor pro-choice, he's pro you-shutting-the-hell-up...
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Jul 1 2006, 03:09 AM
No, it was not pro-choice or pro-abortion. He was against abortion but for killing babies, if I recall correctly.

it's murder, but, people get murdered everyday, so who cares. I guess it's tragic , but so is little 5 year old kids getting murdered by serial killers. like that runnion girl. Everybody should be pro-abortion. I'll tell you what, I'm pro-abortion,pro-death penalty,pretty much pro-everything. Usually people that consider abortion are stupid to begin with, that's why they couldn't avoid getting pregnant, so the kid is going to be stupid, and like we need another stupid kid in the world. Screw the kid. I know it's harsh but it's a harsh world out there. You'd be surprised of how lonely you really are in this world.
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Food for Thought: The legalization of abortion has been directly correlated with the dramatic fall in crime during the 90's.

Yes, it wasn't the only factor, but estimates show it was responsible for about have the loss at least.

According to Freakinomics.
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Until the child is capable of breathing on it's own, it's a part of the womans body and, like cancer, she has the right to do whatever she wants with it.
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There isn't really any use debating abortion. People who think it is wrong will always think it is wrong. People who think it is ok will always think it is ok. It isn't a matter of fact so much as it is matter of opinion. I guess the only way to tell if it is wrong is what society says about it. If most people say abortion is right then I guess for most purposes it is right.
I think abortion is wrong, but it doesn't matter what I think. One thing you have to agree with is that 51%+ of the people who get abortions are dumb, because if they were smart they wouldn't get pregnant in the first place. Less dumb parents=less dumb kids. That is about the only reason that I could see people liking abortion.
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Jul 1 2006, 10:41 AM
One thing you have to agree with is that most people who get abortions are dumb, because if they were smart they wouldn't get pregnant in the first place.  Less dumb parents=less dumb kids.  That is about the only reason that I could see people liking abortion.

generalizations are fun, aren't they? yeah, SOME people get abortions because they were too stupid to use birth control, but not MOST... most abortions are because the birth control failed, or because the birthing process would kill the mother, child or both... or due to a little thing called rape.. you ever heard of rape? women don't really HAVE a choice in that instance... so leave that whole "abortions are good for natural selection because everyone who gets one is some stupid slut and its their own damn fault they're pregnant" bullshit at the door...
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Happy now Stumpy? See modified post. I know how to use the edit button.

When you have sex, with or without a contraceptive, you know the risks involved. If you know something could happen and you are suprised when it does happen I would call that stupidity.
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Jul 1 2006, 02:10 PM
Happy now Stumpy?  See modified post.  I know how to use the ecit button.

yeah, you changed "most" to "51%+", BIG f*cking difference there, my friend.... although, i WOULD like to see the statistcs you base this wild assumption on... now, i'm not agruing whether or not abortion is right or wrong, i don't like to deal in opinion, but what pisses me off is that you're generalizing a portion of the public as moronic sluts without ANY facts or proof to back that up...

maybe i'm just naive and think too much of humanity, but i wager the majority of abortions are had when the woman has NO CHOICE BUT TO HAVE ONE... that is, she's not going around sleeping with guys without thinking of the consequences and whenever she gets pregnant she thinks "oh shits, i better go kill this fetus"... but if you have access to some statistics that say otherwise, please show them to me... until then i'm just going to stick with my observation that you have no idea what the hell you're talking about and are simply assuming something based on absolutely no facts...
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85% of quoted statistics are invented on the spot.



Shazam!

That is a very long article about reasons why women in 27 countries have abortions.

However, in there are some stats specifically for the U.S., which basically boil down to this.

Anyone doing any research in this area will discover that corresponding information on miscarriages is quite interesting.

Personally, I support a woman's right to choose, agreeing with the Supreme Court of Canada. From wikipedia:

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In a landmark decision, the Court declared in 1988 the entirety of the country's abortion law to be unconstitutional. The court noted that "[f]orcing a woman, by threat of criminal sanction, to carry a foetus to term unless she meets certain criteria unrelated to her own priorities and aspirations" and that the law "asserts that the woman's capacity to reproduce is to be subject, not to her own control, but to that of the state" were essentially a breach of the woman's right to security of the person, which is guaranteed under Canada's Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

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"The right to liberty... guarantees a degree of personal autonomy over important decisions intimately affecting his or her private life. ... The decision whether or not to terminate a pregnancy is essentially a moral decision and in a free and democratic society, the conscience of the individual must be paramount to that of the state."



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Jul 1 2006, 04:58 PM
However, in there are some stats specifically for the U.S., which basically boil down to this.

thank you! that's all i wanted, statistical proof of the claims made in this thread...
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I don't know if you didn't think anybody was going to read your links, Necro, but they all supported my argument. I said most, or over 50%, of women had abortions because of irresponsibility and the number wildly support me.
Let's look at women less than 25 years old from the Czech Republic and why they had abortions. The Czech Republic is a country that is well documented and doesn't work in favor of my arguement so that I am objective.

38.9% Want to postpone childbearing
6.2% Want no (more) children
5.3% Socioeconomic factors
12.4% Relationship problem; partner does not want the pregnancy
5.3% Too young; parent(s) or other(s) object to pregnancy
17.7% Other
14.2% Risk to maternal or fetal health

The first 5 items listed here are simply ways to say, "I was too irresponsible to take proper precautions when having sex." I'm pretty sure when doctors ask people why they are having arbortions most people don't say that they are big sluts, so that item isn't listed. Now for the conclusions; when you add all of the percentages of known (I grouped "other" as a responsible reason to have an abortion) up and put them as a percent you get 68.1% which is well within the 51%+ number I gave before. AND that is with numbers that don't work in my favor and I gave up the reasonable doubt at every chance. If you don't agree at least comment on the debating skills.
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