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Abortion is wrong
Topic Started: Jul 1 2006, 01:38 AM (4,056 Views)
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Jul 2 2006, 12:25 AM
Until the child is capable of breathing on it's own, it's a part of the womans body and, like cancer, she has the right to do whatever she wants with it.

It has different genes and, in fact, often a completely different blood type from the mother. A very odd "part of the body" indeed....
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Jul 1 2006, 06:04 PM
The first 5 items listed here are simply ways to say, "I was too irresponsible to take proper precautions when having sex."

no, they aren't... contraceptives aren't 100%, and you can be damned percautious and STILL get pregnant.. you're STILL colouring ALL people in certain groups as an outrageous stereotype, and THAT'S what i have a problem with... whether your assumptions were right or wrong wasn't the point, the point was that you were making them without any proof or facts to back them up...
STUMPY WAS RIGHT. HIS TOUCHING SOLILOQUY HAS MOVED ME, TRULY A MANIPULATOR OF THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE. I HAVE ALLOWED HIM USAGE OF HIS PREVIOUS ACCOUNT.
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no, they aren't... contraceptives aren't 100%, and you can be damned percautious and STILL get pregnant.. you're STILL colouring ALL people in certain groups as an outrageous stereotype, and THAT'S what i have a problem with... whether your assumptions were right or wrong wasn't the point, the point was that you were making them without any proof or facts to back them up...


It's not a matter of the contraceptives. We know that they aren't always 100%, and that is why when they don't work you are still responsible for the pregnancy because you are taking a risk every time you have sex. I'm not saying don't have sex, just be prepared for what can happen because you've been warned.
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you see, if you had said something reasonable like THAT, rather than saying "most people who get abortions are dumb, so the only reason it's a good thing is that it helps natural selection" (which ignores the percentage of women, albeit a small number, that became pregnant through no fault of their own, and i'd say bailing them out of THAT jam is a good thing about abortion), all of this bullshit would have been avoided...
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Well now you know my point. Nice doing business with you Stumpy! B)

I am divided about rape, because it's not the women's fault nor is it the fetus' fault.
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you also have to take into consideration all of the indecisive people who make laws hard to pass.

If I proposed that a woman had to keep her baby no matter what , with the exception if she was raped, or the baby could kill her, or the baby would come out like the elephant man, I would still have people who would disagree with me, thus, nothing gets done because topics like this are so 50/50.

granted the above statement is not what I agree with, it is just a proposal.
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Women don't name miscarriages or have funerals, so I find it hard to believe these same women are so damn against abortions.

I'm both pro-life and pro-choice. I think abortion is wrong, but I still think it should be legal. Instead of fighting so hard to make it illegal, I say those that don't want it a part of our society should do something about preventing the pregnancies in the first place.
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You'd be surprised, Kett. Some women do name their miscarriages.

As for preventing pregnancy, the best way to do that is with education. Widespread, comprehensive education. Oh, and prohibition of alcohol.
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Women don't name miscarriages or have funerals, so I find it hard to believe these same women are so damn against abortions.


Women can be extremly depressed after a miscarriage.
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If you abortions are outlawed, only outlaws will have abortions.
We saw it in the sixties, home anti-pregnancy tests. And those are not safe, they can result in the woman not being able to have a child ever, infection, death, etc. If you don't want to have the child, you're going to not have the child.

Fact is, you cannot force the woman to do what you want. It's her body, it's her choice.
If you disagree with abortion, that's fine. Don't get one. End of story.
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If you abortions are outlawed, only outlaws will have abortions.


My problem isn't with the laws concerning abortions. My problem is with a women who has one. It's ethics, not government.
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You'd be surprised, Kett. Some women do name their miscarriages.

As for preventing pregnancy, the best way to do that is with education. Widespread, comprehensive education. Oh, and prohibition of alcohol.

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Oh, yeah, of course. Most good people aren't going to need to get one. But you have to allow it because of the few that do, and because as right as it is, it's wrong to keep people from doing certain things.
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Oh, yeah, of course. Most good people aren't going to need to get one. But you have to allow it because of the few that do, and because as right as it is, it's wrong to keep people from doing certain things.


But then if you think about it. Does the fetus have rights as a person? The main debate about arbortion is really when a person becomes a person.
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Oh, yeah, of course. Most good people aren't going to need to get one. But you have to allow it because of the few that do, and because as right as it is, it's wrong to keep people from doing certain things.


But then if you think about it. Does the fetus have rights as a person? The main debate about arbortion is really when a person becomes a person.

That's tough, but I would say the fetus becomes a person when it is able to breath on it's own. That's when the person REALLY becomes a person.
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