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Abortion is wrong
Topic Started: Jul 1 2006, 01:38 AM (4,053 Views)
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And there's the word most used by people that can't stand that other people may possibly think differently:" Hypocrite"

How is it hypocritical that I find some things humorous while I find others non-humorous and in this case, totally superfluous (useless/pointless/menaingless for those that don't have a dictionary or thesarus)?

I find it hypocritical that someone would say in one thread "Don't censor people, and insults don't prove your point" or something to that effect (I think that's the "What It's all About" thread, itself an exercise in futility that I made the mistake of participating in), then attempts to do exactly what he says not to do. But that's just me.

I personally didn't find your "Don't be afraid, white people" to be humorous. I believe the best way to put it is that I "didn't get the joke." I fail to see the humor in that phrase. Seems to me that it was an arbitrary addition that, while not humorous, may serve to get a "Ja Whol!" or "Seig Heil!" from a certain unsavory segment of the white populace.


Now for the part of this you're bound to ignore and not respond to:

Why didn't you take not of the part where I agreed with an idea of yours (a first)?

Why didn't you answer my question?

Why did you totally overlook the bulk of that post, single out a single line, totally removing the rest of the paragraph it was attached to, and use it to level a poorly constructed attack at me instead of taking the time to write something with more than an iota of substance?

Further, you are aware that there isn't really any way to judge my notion about you not having a sence of humor as hypocritical, as you have absolutely no knowledge of my sence of humor beyond the fact that I missed your rather poor attempt at humor. Are we all required to have the same sence of humor now?

Given all the evidence available, given that you tend to take one stand, defend it till it's blatantly clear that you've lost, shift your point to something else, rinse, repeat, all the while chastizing people for not being open to your ideas as you close your mnd to theirs, I'd say that if anyone deserves the label of hypocrite, its the guy that hac consistantly proven himself to be inconsistant, i.e. You.

And before you say it, I have absolutely no problem with people mocking eachother, and actually find it quite amusing. Therefore, since I am engaging in a behavior I condone, this is by definition not hypocritical.

Oh, and have a nice day :)
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To put it simply, I made a joke, you did not get it, you made a joke, I did not get it, I think you don't have a sense of humor, YOU don't think I have a sense of humor, in my opinion you fall short of the crudentials to continue this discussion. Good DAY sir.

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May I add another hypocrite to the pile, Mr. Thomas Joad. Judging by your name and avatar you obviously are a red-neck, so calling ME a red-neck makes YOU a hypocrite. Good DAY sir.

May I also add that LC and Magical Gelatin are very handsome. ;)

<NeoAegis>Again with the ass-kissing... Again, for anyone's amusement.</NeoAegis>
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And that would be another humorus crack you missed, Mr. bear :)

Further, if you would be so kind, please provide the definition of hypocrite you're using. It seems your use of the word clashes with my copy of Webster's Collegate Dictionary's definition of the word.

Finally: What are my credentials, Mr. bear? While we're at it, what are yours? And do avoid hyperbole in your self-appreciation. It's grown rather tedious to read so many posts expressing your self-proclaimed greatness. It's much more entertaining and interesting when Maddox does it, and decidedly less long winded.
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May I add another hypocrite to the pile, Mr. Thomas Joad. Judging by your name and avatar you obviously are a red-neck, so calling ME a red-neck makes YOU a hypocrite. Good DAY sir.


Tom Joad is one of the best members of this forum and I think he is always right!

Back to business, I really do appreciate the posts bear, I'm not kidding about that. They stimulate the discussions.
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Hey, anyone know the name for an attempt to appear witty by taking a shot at someone, but failing miserably?

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Jul 1 2006, 05:41 PM
There isn't really any use debating abortion. People who think it is wrong will always think it is wrong. People who think it is ok will always think it is ok. It isn't a matter of fact so much as it is matter of opinion. I guess the only way to tell if it is wrong is what society says about it. If most people say abortion is right then I guess for most purposes it is right.
I think abortion is wrong, but it doesn't matter what I think. One thing you have to agree with is that 51%+ of the people who get abortions are dumb, because if they were smart they wouldn't get pregnant in the first place. Less dumb parents=less dumb kids. That is about the only reason that I could see people liking abortion.

less dumb parents = less dumb people true thats why i very strongly saystupid people shouldn't breed. but the say that society is right well guess what society voted for bush dose that make them right??. abortion i believe is ultimatly right it is thening the population. I mean one of the theories for world extinciton was not enough kids. if we only have one kid for 2 people that makes 3.5 billion left witch is a reasonable number for a planet we are way over. I mean if there were no abortions then the number would increase so much.

We have enough homless jobless people. Why bring in anouther stupid child because the parents were stupid enough to not wear a condem or smoke crack on birth control. Think of humans as any animal like deer. none at all is devastating and ruins the others but to many has same devastating effect of killing and over grazing making more die of less food. however the wolves are good n fat now days he he.

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I did a report on overpopulation a year ago so i've looked at this subject before.

In conclussion I found that you can not do anything to stop the growth of population without doing something extreme and usually unethical. You just can't tell people to not have kids. There are a couple things governments can do but it just won't have the effect needed.

1) Make condoms more avaliable and spread it's use. (same with birth control)
2) Don't make the tax breaks for bigger families as much (that will create bigger problems)
3) Advertise the perfect family having one child (like that will do anything)
4) Tax breaks for no children or one child families. (maybe)
5) Scare the shit out of them with overpopulation problems (people won't take it seriously and think it's always someone elses problem)

I don't know if you were suggesting a one child policy or not but that is the worst idea ever. One, you can not ethically tell people to only have one child. Two, it will create huge job problems when the one child generation grows up. There will be a sudden excess of job openings and not enough people to fill it. The biggst problem is if we have soical security and we did the one child policy it would fall apart the second the one child policy generation starts getting jobs and the older generations retire. There will be two people to support four (three realistically). That just isn't possible and then many elderly will either die or have to live in overcrowded households supported by one family. It may reduce population but it will only hurt the country in the long run.
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Jul 22 2006, 12:30 AM
I did a report on overpopulation a year ago so i've looked at this subject before.

You didn't look closely enough. There are three things necessary, and only these three, to control population:

  • personal wealth
  • freedom to spend that wealth on one's own pursuits
  • education

As societies get wealthier, the birth rate drops. As they get more free, the birth rate drops. As they get more educated, the birth rate drops.
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A little information never hurt anybody. By the way, knowledge is power so don't sell yourself short.
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Well since the thrid world countries aren't wealthy, free, and educated and probably won't be, that argument won't help much.
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Jul 23 2006, 02:20 AM
Well since the thrid world countries aren't wealthy, free, and educated and probably won't be, that argument won't help much.

Sure it does. Knowing that these three things are what reduces birth rates means you can formulate policy to help reduce birth rates.

First policy: don't impoverish your neighbouring countries. Help them gain your level of wealth instead. This will reduce population pressures and will help you in the demographics war you're currently losing.

Second policy: don't support dictators around the world just because they help make you wealthy. Undermine dictators on any side of the political spectrum because the more free a country is, the less of a demographic threat they are to you and the less overpopulation the world as a whole (including you!) has.

Third policy: spread education. For reasons astonishingly similar to those above.

It sure as Hell beats walking into random countries on bogus grounds and spending the next fifty years of your budget trying to hold together what you broke, now, doesn't it?
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First policy: don't impoverish your neighboring countries. Help them gain your level of wealth instead. This will reduce population pressures and will help you in the demographics war you're currently losing.

I agree with this 100%, I forget if I said this in another thread or not but I'm not a big of fan of American Economic Imperialism. It encourages illegal immigration to the United States from those countries (I think I said it in the immigration thread) and keeps 3rd world countries at 3rd world countries. I will also pay more for goods if they start paying the workers more so I don't come off as a hypocrite.

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Second policy: don't support dictators around the world just because they help make you wealthy. Undermine dictators on any side of the political spectrum because the more free a country is, the less of a demographic threat they are to you and the less overpopulation the world as a whole (including you!) has.

This is a real messy issue. Helping take down a dictatorship isn't easy. When we tried to take out Cuba look what happened there. I haven't really looked up this issue much but how would you suggest undermining a dictator?

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Third policy: spread education. For reasons astonishingly similar to those above.

Another point I agree on but another that will be a very difficult task. Especially in a dictatorship it is very hard to spread moral value and education in other countries. On top of that, American education isn't the best system to follow either, but it's better than nothing.



Even with these points, the chances of any of these being implemented is so extremely small I don’t think it will do anything. I’m in favor of helping 3rd World countries but getting our government to do this and get support from the American public is another issue entirely.
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Second policy: don't support dictators around the world just because they help make you wealthy. Undermine dictators on any side of the political spectrum because the more free a country is, the less of a demographic threat they are to you and the less overpopulation the world as a whole (including you!) has.

This is a real messy issue. Helping take down a dictatorship isn't easy. When we tried to take out Cuba look what happened there. I haven't really looked up this issue much but how would you suggest undermining a dictator?


Not giving him money because he's babbling about "communists" (past) or "terrorist" (present)? That would be a start.

And as to Cuba -- read closer. The reason you're all pissed off at Cuba (y'all in this case being the USA, not individual people) isn't because Castro's a dictator. Y'all're pissed off because he isn't your dictator like the previous one (Batista) was....

The USA has never been particularly friendly toward freedom in other countries.

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Third policy: spread education. For reasons astonishingly similar to those above.


Another point I agree on but another that will be a very difficult task. Especially in a dictatorship it is very hard to spread moral value and education in other countries. On top of that, American education isn't the best system to follow either, but it's better than nothing.

Even with these points, the chances of any of these being implemented is so extremely small I don’t think it will do anything. I’m in favor of helping 3rd World countries but getting our government to do this and get support from the American public is another issue entirely.


To Hell with "moral value"! It's American's spreading "moral value" that has caused much of the trouble in recent history. I said "education" and that's what I stand by. Let the cultures manage their own moral values as they grow in education. You know, kind of like how we did it ourselves instead of having clueless know-nothings telling us.

And yes, I agree with you that these three points are difficult to accomplish given American mindsets. This is why I don't think America will ever be a force for civilisation.
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Yes American mindset is horrible. All Americans care about is themselves and not for the good of others even if it could help them out in the long run. Yet, it is not just America, you make it sound like America is the only country that puts its own selfish intrests ahead of other countries. I don't see any other countries making an attempt to help out either.

Most of this is on a larger level than we (individuals) can control. Not to sound pessmistic or anything but a letter to Bush isn't gonna solve shit because elected officals won't do anything about it.
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