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Abortion is wrong
Topic Started: Jul 1 2006, 01:38 AM (4,050 Views)
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piercehawkeye45
Aug 27 2006, 05:34 PM
We cannot have a law against abortion.

First Flamingo, have you ever experienced having an unwanted baby you don't have enough money to raise? (Hypothetical, I know you're 14) Most of the people against abortion are middle class close-minded republicans that want to force something on other people that they have no idea how it can effect them.

It takes a lot of money to raise a kid and do you think two high school dropouts living in the inner city can afford it? There is no way they can do it and still have room for a future. For some people, having a baby is ruining their lives of any advancement and some people don't understand that. I personally haven't experienced it but my guess is I'm a lot closer than pro-lifers. You can be against abortion morally and still be pro-choice. This is how you do it: if you have an unwanted baby, choose not to abort it. Very simple without shoving your morals down other people’s throats and affecting their lives in ways you will never experience.

Another reason, if you have an unwanted baby in the inner city. What do you think their fate will be? My guess is that they will find a place that they get a feeling of belonging. What could that possibly be? Gangs? I'm sorry for being stereotypical but having gang members that realize that they were an unwanted baby isn't very good. First, the crime rate will go up and second they could kill someone (and you were against murder). Those commercials about the lady firefighter are bullshit, show a true commercial where the unwanted kid joins a gang and kills an innocent person. Is it the kid’s fault? Not really, they were forced into that situation. Whose fault is it?

What you say is very true. I guess we can't have a law against abortion. Maybe it is better for the person to never exist instead of having a terrible life.
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Well I wasn't going there. I was getting that it will ruin more than one life.
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piercehawkeye45
Aug 28 2006, 12:03 AM
Well I wasn't going there. I was getting that it will ruin more than one life.

Either way, it's still bad.
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I'm not sure if this has been covered already, but in any case, here are my 2 cents, recycled from a debate I had elsewhere:

There is nothing inherently wrong with abortion, because there is nothing inherently wrong with anything. There are practical reasons for being opposed to abortion, but they have nothing to do with morality.

Morality is a myth. There is no universal morality, no infinite law which states what is right and what is wrong. Morality is a social construct. All societies have some form of morality, but that is because all societies need some sort of ethical code to function properly. However, these different ethical codes can vary a great deal. The reason many of them have large similarities is because of the similar circumstances under which all humans live.

For example, personally, I am not sure legalising abortion is good for society as a whole, but there is certainly nothing inherently wrong with abortion. It is important to bear that kind of distinction in mind when considering all so called 'ethical issues'. There's nothing 'evil' or 'wrong' with doing drugs, but I'm still largely against legalising them, because I think doing so would be bad for society, and as such would in general make my life crummier.

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To me the only sense of morality there is is this; anything is fair game as long as you don't hurt other people. That can be taken very broadly, I know that. So the only thing that I need to know to know if abortion is wrong is if a fetus is a person or if a 8 month fetus is a person or a 1 month fetus is a person. Right now I happen to believe that any fetus is a person, but my opinion may change.
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Almost anything you do hurts someone in one way or another.
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That's called moral nihilism, Neeman.
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Aug 31 2006, 05:42 PM
That's called moral nihilism, Neeman.

So it is. I actually wasn't aware of the exact doctrine of thought, though I had guessed it probably did exist. It was just a conclusion I came to in another debate on abortion.

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To me the only sense of morality there is is this; anything is fair game as long as you don't hurt other people. That can be taken very broadly, I know that. So the only thing that I need to know to know if abortion is wrong is if a fetus is a person or if a 8 month fetus is a person or a 1 month fetus is a person. Right now I happen to believe that any fetus is a person, but my opinion may change.


Do you really believe it's always wrong to hurt someone?
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Sep 1 2006, 01:22 AM
Do you really believe it's always wrong to hurt someone?

My view is that objectively, it is always wrong to do something which will hurt somebody else. However, in certain situations, hurting someone can be the lesser of two evils, and so is the correct choice.

It all depends upon the situation.
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Sometimes, you can't make an omelette without killing a few people.
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Sometimes, you can't make an omelette without killing a few people.

i find "you can't make an omelette without breaking a few legs" to be a more eloquent way of putting it...
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Omelettes use eggs and that is bad.......for some unknown reason.
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Well, I think we know who makes the best omelettes around here.
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On Tuesday we are having an omlette-off in my foods class. My ham and cheese is the clear favorite.
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Are omelettes off-topic? After all, technically eggs are chicken menstruations, not chicken abortions.

Is menstruation bad? Because those eggs could be frozen, instead of just flushed or chucked in the garbage.
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