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God don't care about humans (if he exists)
Topic Started: Jul 21 2006, 12:35 PM (3,105 Views)
Damien_Hell
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I don't think that if god exists that he cares about humans. We're just play things for the species he DOES care about. If god was human then there would be no war, famine, suffering. Also we wouldn't need technology. We could fly around on magic crosses! But no we have war, sufferiing, famine, George Bush. Besides if Adam and Eve existed where did all the other races come from? Some guy decided that it would be a good idea to cheer people up with hope that if their good they get rewarded for etrenity.




EDIT: The topic is God don't care about humans (if he exists) It was a typo!
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I suspect you haven't been reading your bible. Why do you think god would prevent all suffering if he existed? Do you think this is supposed to be heaven?

In any case, I'm an atheist. But I try not to be a hypocritical atheist.
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I have read the bible and im atheist too. Thoughts like that (Do you think this is heven?) Is another thing I was thinking about. Excuses to why the world isn't better off. come on if you own a dog do you let it starve and fight otrher dogs till you take it into your house? NO! You do something!
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Actually Damien_Hell, from how you described it in your opening post I'd say you're more Apethetic Agnostic than Aethist. Aethist believe there is no god, Agnostics beleive that the claims of there being a god are irrelivent to life.

I myself am an Apathetic Agnostic. Whether or not God does exist, he/she/whatever doesnt seem to care about what happens on earth so why worship a god that doesnt seem to care about us.
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If something exists, then it has an affect on stuff and does stuff. If it cannot be detected, doesn't affect anything, and doesn't do anything, then it doesn't exist.
So far god can't be detected, hasn't affected anything, and hasn't done anything.
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There is a god, at least in my opinion. There's wars and other disasters because i believe life is a test. Humans start the wars and for the disasters, that's just how the world is. Bad stuff happens. Good stuff happens too. I think we are awarded Heaven after we pass if we stayed good on Earth.
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I don't know anything about God (Agnostic Theist here!), but I'm glad that there is some pain and suffering in the world because it gives us motivation to make the world better and if we were happy all of the time, we wouldn't appreciate it.
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Well human nature in general will never let us be happy. We always have to have something better. Then when everyone gets the same thing that is the best, we have to get something different and unique. The cycles goes from there.
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Dr. Jim
Jul 21 2006, 03:36 PM
If something exists, then it has an affect on stuff and does stuff. If it cannot be detected, doesn't affect anything, and doesn't do anything, then it doesn't exist.

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but does that not sound like a spot on description of neutrinos?

You're also reading the Bible too literally. Adam and Eve did not exist. It's a story, and that's all it is.

I'm a theist with Catholic education if that's worth anything to you.
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Jul 22 2006, 02:40 PM
Dr. Jim
Jul 21 2006, 03:36 PM
If something exists, then it has an affect on stuff and does stuff. If it cannot be detected, doesn't affect anything, and doesn't do anything, then it doesn't exist.

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but does that not sound like a spot on description of neutrinos?

You're also reading the Bible too literally. Adam and Eve did not exist. It's a story, and that's all it is.

I'm a theist with Catholic education if that's worth anything to you.

First, I'll correct you since you're wrong. Neutrinos do have an effect on stuff. That's why we have neutrino detectors all around the world. The problem with them is that they don't have a whole Hell of a lot of effect on stuff. This makes them very hard to detect but they have, in fact, been detected. Many times.

Second, this is my problem with Christianity. Whenever the Bible is clearly ridiculous we're told that it's only supposed to be a story to illustrate some moral point. Yet at other points we're told we need to take it as the literal truth. And at yet other points, when the moral point established in the story is clearly abhorrent (like killing all the people in a city because you really want to, or like kidnapping women and raping them because you're short on women of your own, or....) we're expected to handwave it away as a mystery.

Now even if I were to accept this nonsense as somehow valid, we're still left with a problem. How, precisely, do we figure out which parts of the Bible are supposed to be the literal truth, which parts are supposed to be symbolic and which parts we're supposed cough uneasily over as the horrific nature of the morality becomes obvious? The only real tool we have is our intellect. So why not just use our intellect directly for guidance instead of using an obviously-flawed, and often obviously-ludicrous book?
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Okay, spot on description is clearly flawed. It interacts weakly with matter, which I remembered after posting. Thanks for the refresher.

I have to agree with you on that part of Christianity. However, different sects of it view different parts of the Bible differently. As far as I know, Catholicism sees most of it as a story with the truth being in salvation history. Again, I'm no Bible expert, so I can't tell you what whole sects believe.
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Jul 22 2006, 04:37 PM
As far as I know, Catholicism sees most of it as a story with the truth being in salvation history.

And they decided this how? By an intellectual process? What role, precisely, did the book serve again, then? Random source of input for really funky output?
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Jul 22 2006, 04:37 PM
As far as I know, Catholicism sees most of it as a story with the truth being in salvation history.

And they decided this how? By an intellectual process? What role, precisely, did the book serve again, then? Random source of input for really funky output?

The way that gives them the most power. Catholicism is and will always be about getting power. Sad how people have to use religion to get and maintain power.
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NeoAegis
Jul 22 2006, 04:37 PM
As far as I know, Catholicism sees most of it as a story with the truth being in salvation history.

And they decided this how? By an intellectual process? What role, precisely, did the book serve again, then? Random source of input for really funky output?

Point taken. I'll add it to a list of reasons why I'm only Catholic on paper.
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The Christian god himself is a paradox, point related here, particularly in respect to the way he 'treats' humanity.
If God is God, then by definition the guy already knows everything. If this is true, then why are we here? Because if all this stuff is just some sort of test for us, what the hell's the point? he already knows who's going to screw up & who's going to pass, and even who's just going to forget to study & then he also knows everything about the guy who never even got his textbook. Where's the bloody mercy in that? Please. There is not point to any of this crap. If there is a god, or gods, or whatever, we are either their ant farm or they are just as subject to all this nonsense as we are.
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