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Ruler of the World; Bow Down
Topic Started: Aug 8 2006, 04:56 PM (600 Views)
Flamingo
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Do you think one day, the world will be ruled by one global government?
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Kinda. I think there could be a loose, weak federal government controlling all the countries to solve big issues. It will unite all the countries but they won't control the individual nations. Maybe something like the very early American government where most of the power was controlled by states instead of the feds.

It won't be very strong because the world is too diverse to adapt to one system. You cannot have one government with three currencies and 20 different languages. I would like to see like a global government but the possibility of it happening is too slim to seriously consider it, at least for a couple decades or centuries.
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Yeah, the best we could hope for is a confederation of states, like the US under the Articles of the Confederation. I actually look for the EU to move towards a confederation in 10 or 20 years, they're already talking about it now. They're also talking about a consocialism of language groups, but I doubt that will happen.
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Yeah the EU really intrests me. I really hope that succeeds. Language will be the hardest thing to unify. It is almost destroying culture in some sense. I think we should pick a language (english or spanish, probably the latter since it's easier) to be the universal language, and then you can be bilingual or just know english/spanish. Get everyone to use the same currency and have the US switch to metric and it could work.
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Well, so long as the international congress has a 2 drink minimum, the executives spend 75% of their time playing golf or whatever their hobby is, and the judicial branch members are required to smoke 1 joint every 6 hours, we'll be fine. :)

If it's an international dictatorship, find some way to keep said dictator stoned and/or plastered 24-7.

Seriously, I'd say we've still got quite a ways to go. The EU's the best example of an international government out there, and it's still tweaking things. The UN. . . a joke. A slightly bigger joke than it's predecessor (the League of Nations).

NAFTA's a nice step in the right direction in North America (though it's still being tweaked, too).

Globalization seems to be the way of the future. Let's only hope a few things from various nations are retained along the way (say, the Japanese work ethic) and others lost (the feeling of many western nations that they need to 'correct' the way other nations do things, whether they need correcting or not).
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piercehawkeye45
Aug 8 2006, 04:37 PM
Get everyone to use the same currency and have the US switch to metric and it could work.

If god wanted us to use the metric system he would have given us ten fingers and ten toes.
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Irockwayhard
Aug 8 2006, 03:48 PM
piercehawkeye45
Aug 8 2006, 04:37 PM
Get everyone to use the same currency and have the US switch to metric and it could work.

If god wanted us to use the metric system he would have given us ten fingers and ten toes.

You're right!...............(looks at hands and feet confused)
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I personally would like a world where there are way more smaller countries. Confine different cultures to their countries. Some people just can't seem to get along.
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Yeah but a loose central government can help a lot too. It would help pull some countries out of their third world status and most likely prevent wars. That is a good idea Tom but it will be hard to redo all the boundries.
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The only factor that can bring people together is an external threat that requires cooperation to solve. Our nations are formed to combat the threat of other nations, the threat of starvation, and so on.
In order for the world to unite, we need those problems to no longer be a problem, and then we need a new external threat.
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Common intrest brings people together too. The EU isn't forming because of an external threat but in common intrest.
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piercehawkeye45
Aug 9 2006, 04:37 AM
Yeah the EU really intrests me. I really hope that succeeds. Language will be the hardest thing to unify. It is almost destroying culture in some sense. I think we should pick a language (english or spanish, probably the latter since it's easier) to be the universal language, and then you can be bilingual or just know english/spanish. Get everyone to use the same currency and have the US switch to metric and it could work.

Any Indo-European language is a very bad choice for world language for several reasons:

  • First, grammatically they're very strange. What real function does an article serve? Why do we conjugate verbs? Indeed this whole inflection business is pretty bizarre when you think of it. Why do we need different word forms for every use of a word?
  • Second, there's a whole lot of colonial baggage surrounding these languages. Every major European language has been the tool of oppression around the world. You don't want to be forcing one of them as a world language.
  • Third, as pointed out, forcing language means destroying culture which brings along with it destruction of diversity of thought. It's far better to have an international auxilliary language strictly for cross-national communication instead of an international primary language.
  • Finally, any native language at all of any kind has pronunciation issues that render it difficult for major chunks of speakers elsewhere to learn. Thus it is a bad idea to take any natural language as a communications medium (along with badly-designed artificial languages like Esperanto).

Ideally we want to create a language from scratch. We want to take a restrictive subset of phonemes that provides as little difficulty as possible for people around the world. We want to make the grammar simple by excising all the stupid bits (like articles, genders, conjugations, word forms, etc.) that plague every natural language (some more than others). We want to synchronise the writing with the speaking such that there's no ambiguities in the glyphs from one word to another. (And I don't necessarily believe that we need an alphabetic system.)
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You want your language to have no reliance on context or tone and very little reliance on word order (for the poets and junk), which is why conjugations or atleast gender are required.

Common interest only exists as cooperation to survive. Aside from that requirement there is no cooperation.
...Matt was no exception to this. When he stood in the street and noticed his chest started to really hurt again, he made the decision to look down. He screamed like a grown man would scream when that grown man sees a laser burning his chest, and that is like a little girl...
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Strangely enough, despite Chinese having no reliance upon inflection (which is not tone!) of any form (no verb tenses, no conjugations, no genders, no word forms), there is an astonishing volume and variety of literature and poetry available in the language of the most refined sort you can imagine.

I call "bullshit" on bizarre grammar constructs being needed for poetry.

Also, if you have an auxilliary language used solely for inter-nation communications, you can still do your poetry and stuff in your native language were your position accurate.
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Any language will of course have its poetry. It's just easier when you have a more simple language. Conjugation and gender allow for one to look at a sentance and know which words match up with which other words, thus allowing you to know what the sentance means. That let's you no longer need a word order and it also provides you with a specific set of endings, making speaking and poetry much easier.
English doesn't have that, though. English relies entirely on word order and context, with the exception of differing between singular and plural.
I've no experiance with Chinese, so I can't speak about that.
...Matt was no exception to this. When he stood in the street and noticed his chest started to really hurt again, he made the decision to look down. He screamed like a grown man would scream when that grown man sees a laser burning his chest, and that is like a little girl...
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