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Second Civil War; North Vs. South...again?
Topic Started: Sep 5 2006, 01:41 PM (667 Views)
Flamingo
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Is a Second Civil War in America possible in any way, shape, or form? I got this idea from watching V For Vendetta and they talked about a second civil war in America.
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Even though back then friends were killing friends and families were killing their own families, i think there are way more connections between people. I never saw the movie, so what were some of the reasons for a war between the north and south
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I think that the second American Civil War would be more of an anarchy than one group against another. The government would lose authority for some reason or antoher, and in the resulting chaos several groups would fight among each other. It would be an especially violent land grab.
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Muller
Sep 5 2006, 08:52 PM
I never saw the movie, so what were some of the reasons for a war between the north and south

It didn't really tell the reason, or who it was between, just that America entered a Second Civil War.
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I don't think so. Neither side has a strong affiliation for any specific group and they are not seperated in any strong ways.
Also, the United States' citizens are not really capable of forming armies or, really, doing any political thinking of their own. While a certain individual may study it for his whole career, he'll never be able to find a group of people, mae an organization, and then actually do more than petition outside of the place where real business is conducted.
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Nah, we haven't reached the level of regional strife that would be necessary for a Civil War.

We seem to be getting closer, though.
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But a civil class war wouldn't be unthinkable - if we're just hypothesising. It could have very easily have happened in the 1920s and 30s - the income gap is still growing, the super rich are getting super-richer and doing it more and more collusively and destructively, but this knowledge is becoming more and more available - who's to say that , if the economy takes another hit like the Great Depression, the lower and middle classes wouldn't just get fed up and mobilize?

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Irockwayhard
Sep 5 2006, 10:01 PM
But a civil class war wouldn't be unthinkable - if we're just hypothesising. It could have very easily have happened in the 1920s and 30s - the income gap is still growing, the super rich are getting super-richer and doing it more and more collusively and destructively, but this knowledge is becoming more and more available - who's to say that , if the economy takes another hit like the Great Depression, the lower and middle classes wouldn't just get fed up and mobilize?

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That is called communism my friend. (or Tom Joadism (yes I made that up))

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Sep 6 2006, 05:15 AM
Ma, whenever ya see a cop beatin' a guy
Wherever a hungry new born baby cries
Wherever there's a fight against the blood and hatred in the air
Look for me ma'
I'll be there

Can I borrow that quote? :lol:

How about a fight on religious grounds? It seems to be the one thing that really motivates people and gets them angry in the USA at the moment. People just don't have much connection to their state anymore, but they do have a lot of connection to their church.

If a government decided to pass laws that are too much for or too much against a large religious group, then it people could start getting violent, and we'd then have a situation on our hands.
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The geographic areas of the United States (the states) are not each filled with only one type of person. Nor are the cities (as a war would dissolve state lines). There are people of every color, religion, political idea, class, wealth, intelligence, et cetra.
Now if we had all the poor people in California and all the rich people in NEvada, maybe. Or if we had all the Christians in Michigan, the Jews in Ohio, the Muslums in Indiana, maybe.
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Chris Larkin
Sep 6 2006, 07:26 AM
piercehawkeye45
Sep 6 2006, 05:15 AM
Ma, whenever ya see a cop beatin' a guy
Wherever a hungry new born baby cries
Wherever there's a fight against the blood and hatred in the air
Look for me ma'
I'll be there

Can I borrow that quote? :lol:

It's from the song "The Ghost Of Tom Joad" by Bruce Springsteen and covered by Rage Against The Machine.

A civil war over religion most likely wouldn't happen unless the law was really extreme which shouldn't get passed since we have a law agaisnt it, even if it's enforced or not. A majority of people are moderate when it comes to religion and if they fought against it, it would turn out being more against the system and not the law.
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A civil war like the previous one is impossible. Economic and Industrial areas are not just limited to the north anymore. There are the same kinds of people throughout the states, leaving no reason for animosity between states. There IS however plenty of animosity towards our hijacked govt.. But like a previous post said, it is unlikely that a rebel group of Americans could garner enough support to march on the government. A lot US citizens are completely capable of thinking on their own politically, people are just too comfortable here right now. Once the poverty level reaches those who believed would never see it, will you have enough discomfort for average joe to fight. Right now however, the feeling is that any one person has way too much to lose by fighting, and nothing to gain.
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This is sort of related

Shattered Union A game about a possible Second American Civil War

(Yes, I usually played the Republic of Texas. Yes, I won. And I had this nice little group I nicknamed the Roswell militia. . .)
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I saw that game on a store shelf once. It looked cool.
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I think there is far too much sharing of information for a civil war to break out in the United States. Maybe if two groups were cut off from each other and they had no real communication at the base level, something could happen.

I'm imagining that only being possible if the country is decimated economically, and the dollar made worthless. And even then, it would take years for groups clearly delineated by geography to form opposing forces.

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