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Animal Rights
Topic Started: Oct 30 2006, 03:19 AM (2,846 Views)
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It's from the aught-four remake of Dawn of the Dead. Though they don't use that particular track in the film.

No, you're not a terrible person for visiting a dead baby website. They are meant to be seen, after all.
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You guys do a lot to misunderstand the nature of your anthropocentric viewpoints.

The reason why it is a good thing to view animals as having 'rights' isn't because animals nessicarily have 'feelings' or even 'thoughts', but because the viewpoint disconnects ourselves from the world.

Now, ignore the green peace movement and their cries for intrinsic value, you don't have to go that deep to understand why anthropocentrism, or the view that only humans have rights, is horrible.

It's pretty simple. Because we view animals as these inferior organisms it allows us to place ourselves above them. This same behavior is copied then when a human wants to objectify, otherize, dehumanize, or any of those nasty things to another human. For example, the terms 'capitalist pig', 'filthy animal' or refering to blacks as 'monkeys.' It is only once we take on this mindset of natural human dominance that other theories of species dominance can rise up, such as Arian dominance. Additionally, it takes humans out of the natural cycle of things philosophically. We see ourselves as external from the environment we live in, allowing us to be complacent with polution and other crimes against nature. If nuclear war ever happens, it will be the most selfish, disconnected act any species has ever comitted on the planet.

However, through understanding animals are just as living as you are, this allows for a new perspective of the world. You understand that we all inhabit this relatively small subset of the galaxy. If we could ever live in a world where we treat our animals as equal, we will of course be able to treat eachother in the same way. And THAT is why anthropocentrism is so horrible, and not because dolly has pretty eyes.
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If I need to eat and there is a deer or cow standing in front of me, I will shoot it for food. If I need clothing I will kill an animal for it's fur. If an animal is attacking me or someone else of my species, I will become altrustic and face the attacker to protect my species.

Is that treating animals as inferior? No, because I would do anything of those to my own species if put in the right situation. The reason we treat animals differently is because we don't share common ground with them. If someone you didn't know was attacking one of your friends, would you kill the attacker? If your friend was attacking someone you didn't know, would you kill your friend?

We treat animals as inferior because we don't see a common ground with them. Once we get to know them (pets) we treat them like human beings.

The people that do seem to treat animals as inferior will treat humans they do not share common ground with as inferior as well. The problem is not within society, but the individual people.
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Nov 16 2006, 05:22 PM
However, through understanding animals are just as living as you are, this allows for a new perspective of the world. You understand that we all inhabit this relatively small subset of the galaxy. If we could ever live in a world where we treat our animals as equal, we will of course be able to treat eachother in the same way. And THAT is why anthropocentrism is so horrible, and not because dolly has pretty eyes.

Yes!

And that is why I am in favour of cannibalism and human leather clothing.
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I understand that eating animals is crucial to our survival, but thats not what I'm talking about, and it's not what the topic of 'animal rights' is talking about either.
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Animals have the right to be fat and tasty.
Animals have the right to bear my burdens.
Animals have the right to be constantly overfed by me, in order to become fat and tasty.
Animals as pets have the right to be waited on hand and foot by insecure owners.
But above all, animals need to be fat and tasty.
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Animal rights is a ridiculous notion at the best of times. It switches to being outright offensive when it is equated with human beings' rights.
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Nov 17 2006, 11:30 PM
Animal rights is a ridiculous notion at the best of times.  It switches to being outright offensive when it is equated with human beings' rights.

Yeah, PETA ads that compare slaughterhouses to the Holocaust make me want to eat lots of red meat just to spite them.
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I think animals shouldent be abused. They do (proven hundrends of time over) have feelings and thoughts. I think if you go soo low as to tourture a helpless animal that your just a loser who really needs to get a life.
As for the fact of eating animals, I think It is ok, as long as they were killed humanliy.
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The killing and torturing of animals--any animals, no matter how cute or ugly--is morally neutral. People who enjoy the act, however, are generally very unsavoury people with unsavoury attitudes toward their fellow human beings. This is why we tend to ostracise them when we find out about them.
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Nov 20 2006, 05:14 AM
The killing and torturing of animals--any animals, no matter how cute or ugly--is morally neutral. People who enjoy the act, however, are generally very unsavoury people with unsavoury attitudes toward their fellow human beings. This is why we tend to ostracise them when we find out about them.

No, it is not moraly neutral, it isent morally neutral to tourture anything. Tourtring an animal is just like tourturing a human, If you belive in god or not, ever thing on this erath has a right to exist and unless your god or one of the two atoms who crashed tougher in prefect synchronization, You dont have the right to make anyone's or anythings life misrble.

As for people who enjoy this nasty act, they are ALL losers who cant express tehre anger out in any other way, people who have no social lives...scrach that people who have no lives at all and people who dont have the coruage to confront there the source of there problems, so they just vent there anger out on inncent animals who happen to be at the wrong place at the wrong time.
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I'd love to see some answers to my reply. If you want to say 'animals have the right for me to eat them yum' then back it up with some sort of reasoning so I can point out what is wrong with it. :P
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I have four pointed teeth made especially for ripping flesh.
I have a hankerin' for some BBQ.
Bacon tastes good.
Porkchops taste good.
I'm higher on the food chain, get in my belly.


All the justified reasoning I will ever need to devour an animal carcass.
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PETA=People Eating Tasty Animals right?

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JD-you were talking about how we should treat animals like humans right?

Like I said before, it doesn't work that way. Humans are social creatures and we treat the people we are closer too better than the people we aren't close with. You didn't answer my question. If someone you didn't know attacked your close friend would you potentially kill or hurt the attacker? If your friend attacked someone you didn't know would you potentially kill or hurt your friend? The more we have in common with a person, they better we treat them. I go to a big university made up of mostly white kids. Yet, the minorities usually hang out with eachother. Why? Because they share their skin color and potentially culture in common. It's human nature to do that. We will never treat animals like humans because it's against human nature to do that.

I am against torture as well. I don't care if we kill an animal for our needs, I just don't want it to unnessesarly suffer.

It's not like it matters if we knock out a species either because another species will take it's place. Life is like the high school sports team that dominates every year. No matter how many players they lose there will always be someone else willing to take their place.

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