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Islam; Q&A thread about Islam, ask away!
Topic Started: Nov 3 2006, 09:25 PM (6,347 Views)
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sabertooth
Nov 28 2006, 05:31 PM
And to Necronomicon
Selling drugs might be out of desperation to, (still dosent make it right)

What's so wrong with drugs that people should be killed over them?

As for whether I think Islam is bad, yes, I do think Islam is bad. I also think Christianity, Judaism and Hinduism are bad. I think religion is a bad idea in the most basic sense. Fortunately I was born in a country where I wasn't indoctrinated into a state religion or where I'd be killed for being an atheist.
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Frist of all, FOR THE LAST TIME,harsher penalties go prevent crime. i have many survays polls and studys from various credibale sources to back up my argument and if you dont believe me just ask and ill prove the critics wrong just like in the animal thred.(it also depends in what part of the world your living in)

To Necronomicon
Thats super duper for you. You might think religon is not a good idea (the question dosent really apply to you cause you think all religons are bad[no offence]) but i dont.And yet as alot religous people would say from all religons that an atheists life is pointless, i however strongly oppose that statment. Now that i read your previous statemnt about durgs again, i think i have mis-understood it. But i was just trying to say that selling drugs might be out of desperation because that person has no other skills to hold any other type of job. As for killing them, well i have no problem with them as long as they dont try to raid my house looking for some crack money and stay the hell away from my family.

To piercehawkeye45
Just to let you know, in islam you dont have to be muslim now to inter heaven. All you have to do is live a good and richeous life and hopfully with enough good deeds you will inter heaven.

To NeoAegis/Tom Joad
I know there not trying/meaning to to attack islam or just to piss me off to provoke some kind of unnecessary responce from me, but most of the posts in the last 2 and a half pages seem to be negative towards islam.

How bout we switch the topic from punishment to somthing else cause to tell you guys the truth i dont know everything about punishment in islam, im still learning.
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You seem to take these questions and calls for debate personally. You should take a page from BlackRider's book, and ease off the tension. We are all here to express our viewpoints, and learn from others viewpoints. Once in awhile, believe it or not, people will disagree with the way any organized religion handles things, especially if they kill their followers for infractions under an Islamicist Regime. So, if you don't like the questions, don't answer them. BlackRider started this thread and I am sure we would be learning much more from him than you.
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Mister Sinister
Nov 30 2006, 05:09 PM
You seem to take these questions and calls for debate personally.  You should take a page from BlackRider's book, and ease off the tension.  We are all here to express our viewpoints, and learn from others viewpoints.  Once in awhile, believe it or not, people will disagree with the way any organized religion handles things, especially if they kill their followers for infractions under an Islamicist Regime.  So, if you don't like the questions, don't answer them.  BlackRider started this thread and I am sure we would be learning much more from him than you.

"You seem to take these questions and calls for debate personally"

It looks like you missed the part where i said I know there not trying/meaning to to attack islam or just to piss me off to provoke some kind of unnecessary responce from me. And i would passiontly defend islam as you would satanism or Necronomicon would atheism.

"Once in awhile, believe it or not, people will disagree with the way any organized religion handles things, especially if they kill their followers for infractions under an Islamicist Regime"

I have no problem with you trying to disprove islam, like one would try to disprove there a opponent in an argument, but not insult.


"You should take a page from BlackRider's book, and ease off the tension."
With what, a suicide bomber prader. Well unfortunately not evryone deserves one, and im vary picky on who to organize one for, cause after all, it is alot of hard work.

"BlackRider started this thread and I am sure we would be learning much more from him than you".

Thats about the only thing that agree with you on here. I dont like teaching people, just giving them already established facts and letting them deicide(for the most part)
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It looks like you missed the part where i said I know there not trying/meaning to to attack islam or just to piss me off to provoke some kind of unnecessary responce from me. And i would passiontly defend islam as you would satanism or Necronomicon would atheism.


I didn't miss that at all, in fact I believe you just wrote that to make yourself look less volitile. It did not work. You said "meaning" to attack, like we were all ignorantly plunging head first into the abyss of Islamic insults...When actually, it's ALL in your perception of your own religion and how YOU think others view it.
I would not passionately defend any religion to anybody, if you don't see it my way, it doesn't mean I have to go and prove it to you, I could care less what you thought about my religious practices. If one should disagree with it, or attack it, no sweat off my sack, it actually makes it more fun to be a part of, IMHO.


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I have no problem with you trying to disprove islam, like one would try to disprove there a opponent in an argument, but not insult.


I hardly see how the questions posed, opinions and/or facts previously stated throughout this thread could be construed as insults. You reveal much about your personal opinion of those outside your religion.

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With what, a suicide bomber prader. Well unfortunately not evryone deserves one, and im vary picky on who to organize one for, cause after all, it is alot of hard work.


No doubt hard work! Why don't we try something on a small scale to keep your blood pressure down...Shall we try breathing slowly and deeply for ten seconds?

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Thats about the only thing that agree with you on here. I dont like teaching people, just giving them already established facts and letting them deicide(for the most part)


Then...what's your definition of teaching? If you don't have a problem with facts, you shouldn't have a problem with people stating facts about Islamic states and the death penalty, then would you?
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PEOPLE! Ease up for God's sake, saber is trying as hard as he(/she?) can, I'm sorry for having been neglectful of this thread. saber, I totally understand how you feel, I've been in your situation and felt the same way, but it is imporatant to keep your cool, getting angry never got anyone anywhere, and it's their point of views, being upset won't help or change their views. And just because they have their views doesn't mean what they think is actually right about Islam, so don't let it bother you.

People, I appreciate you looking at me like a scholar and all, but I'm only FIFTEEN, I'm not the most Islamically erudite person you'll find. You must also appreciate what saber is going through is EXTREMELY tough trying to tackle a bunch of atheists alone, the only reason I might keep my cool is because I've dealt with this before, slightly worse even. He (/She?) is trying as hard as possible and your going:'Blackrider's better! Blackrider's better!', how the hell do you think saber feels after trying so hard? Plus I don't think saber was really getting pissed until you brought it up.

As for adultery, the punishment stated in the Qu'ran as far as I've researched is lashing, but that's only if you can prove *beyond a shadow of a doubt* that the accused really are adulterers, the executions are nothing more than people going too far. However, as with any other sin, they MUST try to seek forgiveness from God and to break the habit.

saber, I sincerely apologise for not interjecting earlier, I've been neglectful and I'd forgotten to check on this thread, it won't happen again Insha'Allah. I appreciate your ongoing efforts.

NOW LET'S GET BACK ON TRACK! OR I'LL SEND BOMBERS AFTER YOU! B)
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My most humble of apologies, to everyone.

You should know, BlackRider, that just because someone is young, it doesn't make them any less knowledgable than a 50 year old. Fresh perspectives come from young people, older folks seem to be more stale. I only brought it up because instead of answers, we were getting animosity.

Now, what is your states view on Euthanasia (mercy killing), in a hospital environment.
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Who would you rather have to share a room with: A Christian, a jew, an Athiest, or a NatureHippything.
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Euthanasia is illegal, because mercy killing means your life is in your hands and you have the right to decide when to die, but only God has that right. Unless of course your pulling the plug on somebody in a completely hopeless vegetable state, which isn't really counted as euthanasia then.

A Jew, simply becuse I've never personally met one before or even conversed with one in a forum. Course I wouldn't mind talking to an Atheist either, it would be cool to actually meet one in person and we can each talk about our views, plus it gets kinda boring being around Muslims all the time ( I already know a couple of Christians, so they're ruled out kinda). NatureHippyPerson? No thank you.

And I wouldn't go so far as to say animosity, Sinister.
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Dec 1 2006, 08:40 PM
Course I wouldn't mind talking to an Atheist either, it would be cool to actually meet one in person and we can each talk about our views, plus it gets kinda boring being around Muslims all the time ( I already know a couple of Christians, so they're ruled out kinda).

Well, then you only have to meet one of the fellow forum members, as I think atheists and agnosticists form the majority of the members here.

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'OMFG! My fundie GF won't give me head!1!!1'

Hahahahahahahah, ahhh. That's classic.
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Uggghhhhh

My US Congress Rep is the first Muslim to ever be elected to congress and he wants to be sworn in using the Quran and not the Bible. Like 95% of the population, I could really give a rats ass from what book he decides to swear in on, but of course, we have the other 5%.

To Blackrider or Sabertooth, at the end of the article, the editor makes a bold remark on how the Muslim population will react to this, which I think is bullshit, and I would like your opinion on it as well.
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piercehawkeye45
Dec 6 2006, 04:07 PM

He can be sworn in on what ever Smurfing book he wants to be sworn in on.

The guy who wrote the article is an idiot, plain and simple.

I would support the right of somebody being sworn in on 'Mein Kampf', because that is their choice.

America is not a Christian country in the sense that its laws are directly form the Bible/Christian doctrine, so why do some people think it is?
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That guy should be flogged for trivializing, and politicizing the events of 9/11. How does swearing on another Abrahamic religion's book (or for that matter a banana) make any difference. You are still subject to the same laws, rules and punishment. If I ever have to be sworn in to public office, I WILL demand a copy of "Horton hears a Who" to swear upon. That book contains the formula of life, as much as any of those other books.
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