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Islam; Q&A thread about Islam, ask away!
Topic Started: Nov 3 2006, 09:25 PM (6,352 Views)
Killer Bee
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Nov 13 2006, 11:49 PM
Killer Bee - By that definition you could be married and never have had sex.  Since you mentioned a pastor and a state official do you think that religious recognition of marriage is superior, inferior, or the same as state recognition of marriage? 

(remember, my original question is how does islam see marriage, ie when are you married before the eyes of God in Islam)

No, I don't feel in any way is religious recognition superior to the state for marrige. I used a pastor because by the powers granted to him by the state he or she has the authority to sign a marrige certificate and make it legal. A judge or justice of the peace or mayor can do the exact same thing.
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Killer Bee
Nov 14 2006, 02:47 PM
Falcon
Nov 13 2006, 11:49 PM
Killer Bee - By that definition you could be married and never have had sex.  Since you mentioned a pastor and a state official do you think that religious recognition of marriage is superior, inferior, or the same as state recognition of marriage? 

(remember, my original question is how does islam see marriage, ie when are you married before the eyes of God in Islam)

No, I don't feel in any way is religious recognition superior to the state for marrige. I used a pastor because by the powers granted to him by the state he or she has the authority to sign a marrige certificate and make it legal. A judge or justice of the peace or mayor can do the exact same thing.

So you can be married without ever having sex, or do you want to amend your definition of marriage?
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Nov 14 2006, 11:32 PM
Killer Bee
Nov 14 2006, 02:47 PM
Falcon
Nov 13 2006, 11:49 PM
Killer Bee - By that definition you could be married and never have had sex.  Since you mentioned a pastor and a state official do you think that religious recognition of marriage is superior, inferior, or the same as state recognition of marriage? 

(remember, my original question is how does islam see marriage, ie when are you married before the eyes of God in Islam)

No, I don't feel in any way is religious recognition superior to the state for marrige. I used a pastor because by the powers granted to him by the state he or she has the authority to sign a marrige certificate and make it legal. A judge or justice of the peace or mayor can do the exact same thing.

So you can be married without ever having sex, or do you want to amend your definition of marriage?

I never said sex was the issue. What I said was that if sex meant marrige then anyone who had a one night stand would be married. I also said that people living togeather who had 10 kids togeather(meaning they obviously had sex) are not by law married. And yes you could be married without ever having sex as long as you have a liscense signed by someone with the authority to make it a legal document. So no, I don't think I need to ammend my statement.
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Killer Bee
Nov 15 2006, 02:32 PM
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Nov 14 2006, 11:32 PM
Killer Bee
Nov 14 2006, 02:47 PM
Falcon
Nov 13 2006, 11:49 PM
Killer Bee - By that definition you could be married and never have had sex.  Since you mentioned a pastor and a state official do you think that religious recognition of marriage is superior, inferior, or the same as state recognition of marriage? 

(remember, my original question is how does islam see marriage, ie when are you married before the eyes of God in Islam)

No, I don't feel in any way is religious recognition superior to the state for marrige. I used a pastor because by the powers granted to him by the state he or she has the authority to sign a marrige certificate and make it legal. A judge or justice of the peace or mayor can do the exact same thing.

So you can be married without ever having sex, or do you want to amend your definition of marriage?

I never said sex was the issue. What I said was that if sex meant marrige then anyone who had a one night stand would be married. I also said that people living togeather who had 10 kids togeather(meaning they obviously had sex) are not by law married. And yes you could be married without ever having sex as long as you have a liscense signed by someone with the authority to make it a legal document. So no, I don't think I need to ammend my statement.

Alright, thanks for your unsolicited opinion. Now, if possible, I'd like to know when Islam considers you married; by the sex act or by the piece of paper some official might hand out.
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I have a question for Black Rider. Does your religon really say that it will take over the world?
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Was there any attacks in Qatar at all?
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Shit, I really can't leave you people alone for a week, can I? :D

Bigfoot, if you mean in a megalomaniacal sense, no, we won't take over the world. We will, however, triumph over evil as we kick the anti-christ's sorry ass ( if you want to view that as 'taking over the world').

Jim, it's not that I don't have reasons myself for disagreeing with premarital sex, I just need to think about how to put it to words. As for why my religion forbids it, it likely has reasoning behind it, but what that is I will need to find out.

Technically, you don't have to get wed in Islam if you don't want to, it's a completely free choice. As for dowries, I think so, I'll need to check on that with my parents ( they'll know, but not from experience but rather knowledge of tradition, since their marriage was hardly normal). You're married in the eyes of God when you are wed by a mullah.

Social norms? The teenworld is pretty much like everywhere else, plastics, losers, wannabes, y'know the deal. Qataris are wealthy and at the top of the food chain, a good amount are corrupt, but there are also honest men. More foreigners than Qataris, like Lebanees, Palestinians, Syrians. Intense racism, between all arab nationalities, lots of stereotyping, which sadly, can be pretty spot on from my perspective. Indians, Philipinos and Pakistanis and such are treated like shit, seemingly inferior to everyone else. Arab parents are often as bad as American parents in the fact that they damnright fail at raising their kids right a lot. Qatari men often cheat on their wives. Sybaritic lifestyle. I know I'm not painting a very good picture so far, I'm pretty much a mysanthrope, you see..... There's some more that has not come to mind yet.

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Nov 17 2006, 02:48 PM
Social norms? The teenworld is pretty much like everywhere else, plastics

I see you have seen Mean Girls.

I talked to a person from Somalia yesterday while playing basketball and everything he said was very close to what you have mentioned so I'm assuming the norms of religion are pretty equal throughout the Muslim world. He talked about how it is hard to distinguish what would be sexual contact and what would just be normal contact and all of that.
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It's not like it's hard to distinguish between something like a handshake and an ass-pinch, maybe he feels that way because of how he was raised? and I'm not saying the girls are bitches like in mean girls, just that they're dumb, tarty, and obsessed with shopping and tight clothes. I uysed the term plastic for how much make-up they use ( at least when the girls I see are out of school uiform). Utterly fake.
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Blackrider5
Nov 17 2006, 04:33 PM
I uysed the term plastic for how much make-up they use ( at least when the girls I see are out of school uiform)

You rogue you.
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Oh trust me, I'm not rogueish at all, the only reason I see them out of uniform is because we have an annual non-uniform day at school, true I am friends with them, but I am not too keen on going out with any of them for any reason, simply because their casual wear is simply appalling.
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Nov 17 2006, 02:48 PM


Attacks meaning?

Violence like riots, bombings, shootings, stuff like that.
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Nov 17 2006, 02:48 PM
We will, however, triumph over evil as we kick the anti-christ's sorry ass ( if you want to view that as 'taking over the world').

Antichrist? I didn't know that Islam thought the antichrist would happen, I thought that was just a Christian thing. Do you believe the same antichrist will happen as the Christians do? Do you recognize Jesus? If you don't, how can he have an anti?
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Blackrider5
Nov 17 2006, 02:48 PM
We will, however, triumph over evil as we kick the anti-christ's sorry ass ( if you want to view that as 'taking over the world').

Antichrist? I didn't know that Islam thought the antichrist would happen, I thought that was just a Christian thing. Do you believe the same antichrist will happen as the Christians do? Do you recognize Jesus? If you don't, how can he have an anti?

Muslims continue the Judeo-Christian line of thought with modifications. They recognise all the Jewish prophets, if memory serves (I haven't read the Qur'an in years, so I may have a fuzzy memory there) and add a few. And Christ is just a prophet in Islamic theology, not the literal son of God. Also Muhammed is the "Seal of the Prophets" which is widely interpreted as meaning the final prophet. (Others, naturally, interpret things differently in the same way that Muslims interpret "the son of God" differently from Christians.)
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There has not beem any violence in Qatar whatsover.

As for the anti-christ, he's a little different from Christian belief, but on the whole pretty much the same, I guess. When Doomsday approaches, a man referred to as Dajjal ( which means imposter) will rise to power in Syria, after a certai time he will proclaim himself to be God, and perform supposed miracles through black magic to get the people to believe him. His will have one functional, bulging eye, and the other will be charred and blackened, and he will have the word 'Kaffir' ( non-believer) on his forehead, which will be read by all true believers, bothe literate and illiterate. He will have the wordAny who don't agree are forced to suffer plague, pestilence, famine and general shittiness. However, Mecca and Medina Al-Munowara will not be affected. Jesus come down form Heaven, leads along with a bloke that goes by the name of Al-Mahdi, they defeat Dajjal's forces, and Jesus kills the bastard. :P

Jesus is a Prophet just like every other Prophet ( p.b.u.t.a.), he's not a son of God, but he was born of the virgin mother Mary ( Maryam). He can perform miracles like making food out of nothingness, but I'm not sure about the raising the dead bit... He was never crucfied, God raised him to Heaven before the unbelievers had a chance to. He's in Heaven right now, until God sends him down near Judgement Day ( Yawm Al-Qiyama) to kick Dajjal's ass. He's not the son of God, nor an aspect of God, merely an honoured servant.

I don't think we made the modifiacations, Mike, technically it's the Jews and Christains that allowed they're texts to be recopied and modified carelessly over the ages, so they did the modifications, not us. It's not really like Islam was a totally knew religion anyway, just the 'official' one we see today.
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