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Immortality; Immortality
Topic Started: Nov 26 2006, 02:54 AM (1,172 Views)
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Jan 14 2007, 04:17 PM
though no dead person is consciously alive they are not really dead mentaly

But they are dead, physically and mentally. A dead person is just rotting flesh. Without a living brain, there isn't a mind. When the brain is dead, there is no mind, in exactly the same way that without a heart, your blood doesn't pump through your body.

Additionally: human beings are not solely their genetics. Experience creates memories, which are not genetically transmitted.
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Perhapse I should rephrase that. While they are not alive in the conventional sence (i.e physicaly) because they share in the common pool of the before mentioned thought processes they are part of the conscious experience of the next generation.

Also, memories create experience which helps a person decide what to do in specific situations, these may be passed on to people close to the person (i.e. "When I was your age..." "You don't want to do that, listen to what happened to me..." ect.) but it doesn't matter if it isn't, the concept I was outlining applies to broader ideas. Such nuances as which roller coaster is the best or the BBQ sauce you DON'T WANT TO BUY change from generation to generation.
As to your comment about humans not simply being their genes, I didn't say that I was simply stating that genetics determine brain structure which has an effect on thought (and which is passed on or not passed on baised on the success of the organism) so thought can be partialy genetic.
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By immortality you aren't literal are you? I understand what you mean, with "parts" of our mind passed down by words and genes, creating similar people, so in a mental way we are living forever in the minds of others. However, you don't mean that the person is actaully alive do you? If not, I completly agree with you.


I think this would explain why there are social groups. For example, if one person becomes goth, their friends may pick up similar hobbies, and the traits spread through out the social groups . Another example is that two people that do not know each other might act the same way, or even do the same things. For instance, on one forum my name is 7 who ate 9, but my friend knows a guy on another forum who had the name 7 that ate 9, who acted alot alike me. This could be because we got influence from the same media or people. Evem though I didn't pick up the name 7 who ate 9 from any show, it could've been from a mixture of shows or catch phrases.
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Dec 15 2006, 09:47 AM
I would say your existence, is based solely on your self-awareness, which causes your conciousness.

I think therefore I am. I think I am. Am I thinking?

I think therefor I am, again, does not mean
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I think, and because of that I am.

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I think, and becaue of this I know that I am, because if I wasn't, then I couldn't think.


The quote of "I think therefor I am" is taken from an essay in which Descartes sits around complaining that everything could just be an illusion and nothing is real, including himself.
Because he was thinking this, Descartes was able to realize that he really did exist, because if he didn't, he couldn't be thinking it.
Existance causes thinking, and thinking is then used to prove existance.
...Matt was no exception to this. When he stood in the street and noticed his chest started to really hurt again, he made the decision to look down. He screamed like a grown man would scream when that grown man sees a laser burning his chest, and that is like a little girl...
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The only thing immortal of a person is the legacy he/she creates for themselves.
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Jan 16 2007, 04:01 PM
The only thing immortal of a person is the legacy he/she creates for themselves.

An idea? You should know that V.
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Alas, that legacy is alive only as long as humans are alive. Which coincidentally isn't forever.
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I'll give it another 20 years before were all dead.
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The only thing immortal of a person is the legacy he/she creates for themselves.

An idea? You should know that V.

Should I? Or should you?
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Katastrof
Jan 16 2007, 04:01 PM
The only thing immortal of a person is the legacy he/she creates for themselves.

An idea? You should know that V.

Should I? Or should you?

Who are you? Freud?
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Jan 16 2007, 09:32 PM
Alas, that legacy is alive only as long as humans are alive. Which coincidentally isn't forever.

Well, mabye in the minds of animals? Allso, as long as these post are around (and books, films, or anything made by people) parts of our minds will stay. But that doesn't mean much, because a book cant do much other then putting parts of our minds into the readers of other people.
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If we can write everything down, or more realistically record everything we know on some computer, our ideas could atleast last forever assuming there is life outthere that finds it after we're gone and can also read it.
We know our Genome. They could make us if they wanted.
...Matt was no exception to this. When he stood in the street and noticed his chest started to really hurt again, he made the decision to look down. He screamed like a grown man would scream when that grown man sees a laser burning his chest, and that is like a little girl...
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Okay, wrong terminology. As long as something is alive. Which, again, won't be forever.
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And then there is the unfortunate fact that the universe will end too..... ;)
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Jan 17 2007, 01:17 AM
And then there is the unfortunate fact that the universe will end too..... ;)

Oh come one, why is this place so obsessed with the end of the world?
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