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PC (Not Bill gates PC :); good or bad?
Topic Started: Dec 4 2006, 05:19 PM (1,243 Views)
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Dec 4 2006, 09:15 PM
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Dec 4 2006, 09:59 PM
eh, the state it's in today is pretty over the top and relatively unnecessary... but getting rid of it completely, and making racial insensitivity commonplace, can be a pretty slippery slope...

I agree with stumpy here, censorship right now is a little over the top, but getting rid of it completely, isent a very good idea.

Why isn't getting rid of censorship a good idea? Because some people get scared when they don't hear what they want?
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Indian, indian, indian. Naitive American is 9 letters longer and I am tired of using it.
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Dec 5 2006, 03:21 AM
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Dec 4 2006, 09:15 PM
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Dec 4 2006, 09:59 PM
eh, the state it's in today is pretty over the top and relatively unnecessary... but getting rid of it completely, and making racial insensitivity commonplace, can be a pretty slippery slope...

I agree with stumpy here, censorship right now is a little over the top, but getting rid of it completely, isent a very good idea.

Why isn't getting rid of censorship a good idea? Because some people get scared when they don't hear what they want?

As i said,censorship right now is a little over the top but getting rid of it completely, isent a very good idea. For some theres a very thin line between racism and censorship.

Example: Arab
No cencorship=Ahhh you all are f--king terrorists Ahhh go to hell stupied towel heads
Some cesorship= I dont like arabs

I dont go out of my way to insult people or call them what they dont like being called, infact if the road is not to long, i will go out of my way to make sure the person dosent get his/her feelings hurt. Wow calling someone a Naitive American instead of an indian, a whole 0.30 secounds of your life wasted. But I usually use what I call neutral words to refer to people,

Example: For African amarican i use the word black and for a Cacastion i would use the word white but i certainly dont go around calling them niggers and white boys.
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Whilst I'm a fan of telling it how it is, some situations do require a bit of tact. At least until humanity as a whole learns that words only hurt them if they allow themselves to be hurt, we'll be requiring that bit of tact.
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Tom Joad
Dec 4 2006, 07:21 PM
Why isn't getting rid of censorship a good idea? Because some people get scared when they don't hear what they want?

because, knowing humanity, it can lead to things like lynchings and genocide...
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Children are main reason that we need some censorship. They don't understand what is right to use in society and what is not right to use. They don't know how things will offend other people and will use words that they don't mean.
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I generally find political correctness in itself offensive, especially when it comes to things like the "holiday tree" and "coloured people".

Of course I'm against discrimination, however in the modern world people tend to take the two hand-in-hand when they are really two different kettles of fish. (I can call somebody a towel head without discriminating, similarly I can easily discriminate against coloured people trying to buy a holiday tree)
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Dec 4 2006, 10:00 PM
Example: Arab
No cencorship=Ahhh you all are f--king terrorists Ahhh go to hell stupied towel heads
Some cesorship= I dont like arabs

But your example proves why we don't need censorship. When you sound like an idiot (Ahhh you all are f--king terrorists Ahhh go to hell stupied towel heads) it lets us know you are an idiot.
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I'm going with Joad. Uncensored comments truly help me weed out the dipshits. Even a statement like, "I don't like Arabs" can land you in hot water, considering some Arabs find the word Arab offensive. You can't win trying to be PC. It seriously insults my intelligence to hear someone try and "clean-up" their speech in front of me. Which would you prefer? Someone saying exactly how they feel, right or wrong, therefore establishing exact bounderies between you and said person, or some bullshit clean speak that you have to sift through until you get to the real meaning of the comment. I don't like to waste my time with people, so I just wish they would reveal their backwoods ideas to me early on so I don't have to bother with them for very long.

Everyone is just too goddamned sensitive
it's censorship and that's downright blasphemous
My mouth and brain belong to me. I choose what words to use and where I use them is solidly up to yours truly, not the speech police.

What's wrong with calling a Mexican, a Mexican?
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There is nothing wrong with calling a Mexican, Mexican. Calling a mexican a 'wetback' is something different because that is an insult to an entire race/culture and does have a negative meaning to it.

I don't think the word 'wetback' or 'nigger' should be censored for a mature audience by any means but you have to make sure people know what to expect when they use the word and the word's actual meaning. That is why I think words like that should be censored for little children because they don't know the meaning of the word and how it offends people. Once they reach that maturity level, I could care less. Preferably, I would like parents to be able to take control and teach kids which words are acceptable and their meanings, but parents suck at doing that, so you have to create borders.

I don't think anyone is offended by the word Mexican, they just use it as an excuse to: give a cheap shot, make them look smart, or they are so insecure that they have to use it as an excuse for their insecurity.
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Dec 5 2006, 10:53 PM
Everyone is just too goddamned sensitive
it's censorship and that's downright blasphemous
My mouth and brain belong to me. I choose what words to use and where I use them is solidly up to yours truly, not the speech police.

What's wrong with calling a Mexican, a Mexican?

Mr. Sinister, I salute you twice. It's pretty sad when you have to basically learn how to talk in a totally different way just to avoid offending someone. Using racial slurs around a particular race doesn't have anything to do with being politically correct it's just plain ignorant. But, why should I or anyone else have to watch what we call something, like Christmas, to avoid offending a person who is of a different religion? Isn't it politically incorrect for the majority to have to bend to suit the minority?And there's nothing wrong with calling a Mexican, a Mexican they are from Mexico.
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Dec 6 2006, 02:05 AM
There is nothing wrong with calling a Mexican, Mexican. Calling a mexican a 'wetback' is something different because that is an insult to an entire race/culture and does have a negative meaning to it.

I don't think the word 'wetback' or 'nigger' should be censored for a mature audience by any means but you have to make sure people know what to expect when they use the word and the word's actual meaning. That is why I think words like that should be censored for little children because they don't know the meaning of the word and how it offends people. Once they reach that maturity level, I could care less. Preferably, I would like parents to be able to take control and teach kids which words are acceptable and their meanings, but parents suck at doing that, so you have to create borders.

I don't think anyone is offended by the word Mexican, they just use it as an excuse to: give a cheap shot, make them look smart, or they are so insecure that they have to use it as an excuse for their insecurity.

There is nothing wrong with calling a Mexican, Mexican. Calling a mexican a 'wetback' is something different because that is an insult to an entire race/culture and does have a negative meaning to it.

Yup

I don't think the word 'wetback' or 'nigger' should be censored for a mature audience by any means but you have to make sure people know what to expect when they use the word and the word's actual meaning. That is why I think words like that should be censored for little children because they don't know the meaning of the word and how it offends people. Once they reach that maturity level, I could care less.

Yup, i think they should be censored up to the point where you understand that you cant go saying everything you hear on T.V music videos or movies in pubilic.
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Dec 4 2006, 11:35 PM
Indian, indian, indian. Naitive American is 9 letters longer and I am tired of using it.

But they sure as shit ain't from India.
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Dec 5 2006, 10:53 PM
Even a statement like, "I don't like Arabs" can land you in hot water, considering some Arabs find the word Arab offensive.

I always thought the people who disliked being called 'Arab' were people who weren't actually Arabs.

The term 'Arab' itself lacks a definite meaning, however the soundest definition tends to be a person who speaks Arabic. Therefore, if you were to call a non-Arabic speaker an Arab you're actually making a mistake. In turn if you persist in using the term to refer to anybody from the Middle East you're more than likely to offend a good few people.
All in all using the word Arab is always risky as different people have different definitions. While I don't support full censorship (they should be able to understand how confusing it is) I do realise that the rest of us need to respect that not everybody in that part of the world is Arab.



As I typed the above I remembered an old essay I read on Othello, in it the student essentially said the term 'Moor' was more or less a synonym of 'Negro', and in turn an insult to the black Othello.
The problem lies in the fact Moor, Negro and black are three different things. A black is a person with black skin, the Moors are a black skinned race and a Negro is a black slave.
I feel that it is society's inability to draw these distinctions between terms like this which give birth to the need for at least some political correctness.

Earlier I said I didn't like political correctness, and that is still true, however I must acknowledge the fact that the ignorant masses do need something of the sort else they're liable to tear themselves apart.
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