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| NeoAegis | Jan 14 2007, 04:23 AM Post #16 |
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"It's not like you had a choice anyways." |
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| piercehawkeye45 | Jan 14 2007, 06:34 AM Post #17 |
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.....exactly. |
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Dropped the atomic bomb let them know that it's real Speak soft with a big stick do what I say or be killed I'm America! I have found the enemy and he is us. | |
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| 严加华 | Jan 14 2007, 06:46 AM Post #18 |
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I would like to have a Ferrari Testosterosa (sic). It ain't gonna happen. This does not crush me. You would like to have control over your life and the lives of others. It ain't gonna happen. This should not crush you. It is running away from truth that breeds unhappiness and causes people to go psycho to the point that they, say, to name a concept at random, cheerfully slaughter anybody a fantasy figure tells them to. Accepting the truth is liberating and calming. Of course it isn't as if you have any choice in your response....
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| piercehawkeye45 | Jan 14 2007, 07:02 AM Post #19 |
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I find humor in that as well. Though I can argue that humans tend to get depressed when the realize that they have lost control over their lives, or have an external locus of control Now I think I may have come off differently than I wanted to about the depressed thing. I have no problem accepting the fact that I have no control over my life just as I have no problem accepting that I will die one day. Neither of those two ideas are healthy to stress over though. So I choose, or have been forced to choose, to avoid thinking about them when making decisions, or having decisions made for me. I don't get depressed over it, it is just a depresssing topic. |
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| 严加华 | Jan 14 2007, 10:35 AM Post #20 |
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And you have now survived your own personal existential crisis. Bravo! (No sarcasm intended here.) You've nailed it on the head: obsessing -- either way -- over "free will" is unhealthy. (Not that you'd have a choice either way.) Your analogy with knowing you're going to die someday is perfect. Some people do crazy things when the inevitability of death rears its ugly head. They revert to childhood. They make up fantasy figures who will keep them alive forever (and keep the people they don't like alive forever in tormet). They follow ever "life-extending" fad that crosses their path. They become Buddhist monks. Whatever. And in the end they die. Forever. What a sad waste of life. Knowing you have no free will gives you similar choices. You can react badly and do weird things (that fantasy figure again) to make yourself feel special to the universe or you can recognise that this is just the way things are and proceed with your life. And, of course, since you don't even have free will you don't have a choice. You will react one way or another based upon a combination of external and internal factors including stochastics and causal chains. |
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| That guy on the forum | Jan 14 2007, 06:57 PM Post #21 |
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Planning World Domination
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I agree with pretty much all of 严加华's post. I don't think we really have free will, saying we have free will is like saying if you throw a ball up it wont come down, even though all the laws of physics say that it will. I don't even belive in "random", if something really unexplained happened it is not random, it happened for a reason, even if that reason is a butterfly flapping its wings in Tiwan. For example, when you roll dice or say "random" numbers, the numbers you get are there for a reason. I do believe in the thought of free will though, if you see something you don't like you can change it, but you changing is allready "planded out". |
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| NeoAegis | Jan 14 2007, 07:18 PM Post #22 |
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It doesn't have to come down. Just throw it upwards at its escape velocity, and it won't be coming down.
Two words: Quantum Mechanics.
That isn't free will. |
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| piercehawkeye45 | Jan 14 2007, 07:45 PM Post #23 |
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I may be wrong but doesn't M-theory unify quantum mechanics with gravity? Also, just because we don't understand quatum mechanics to its fullest now doesn't mean we won't ever. |
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| That guy on the forum | Jan 14 2007, 07:46 PM Post #24 |
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I know, but it is the idea of free will. |
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| NeoAegis | Jan 14 2007, 08:10 PM Post #25 |
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Meh, it's been a while since I read up on this (dumb fucking school), but the uncertainty is built into the particles. Everything is a wave and a particle at the same time. Plus, you have the whole "particles pop in and out of existence randomly" thing. Also, M-Theory just sounds nice. It's still far from being an accepted theory. But no, as far as I'm aware, no theory has successfully united gravity with the rest of the fundamental particles. |
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| Necronomicon | Jan 14 2007, 08:29 PM Post #26 |
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omar comin' yo
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Astrology you can pretty much ignore when it comes to who you are. |
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| 严加华 | Jan 15 2007, 12:49 AM Post #27 |
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QM and M-theory both contain heavy doses of randomness/causeless events. |
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| That guy on the forum | Jan 15 2007, 12:57 AM Post #28 |
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Are you talking about particles that pop in and out of reality? If so, I agree that is random, but other then that, most things are pretty much in a straight line. |
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| piercehawkeye45 | Jan 15 2007, 01:52 AM Post #29 |
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I know QM is all about randomness but I wasn't sure how close M-theory is to the "unifed theory" Einstein was looking for. |
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| Katastrof | Jan 15 2007, 04:24 PM Post #30 |
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As the resident Compatibilist I can say my stance is both a supporter of free will and determinism. You see the choices we can make are all predetermined but the choice we make out of those choices is not. Events are predetermined, choices are not. I'm not going to go to much into thisbecause I don't have that much time (damn school exams), but I recall that I wrote a really long post on this. Compatibilist = (Determinism + Free Will) Togather |
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