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Personallity; Are we really alive?
Topic Started: Jan 13 2007, 09:31 PM (1,442 Views)
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As the resident Compatibilist I can say my stance is both a supporter of free will and determinism. You see the choices we can make are all predetermined but the choice we make out of those choices is not. Events are predetermined, choices are not. I'm not going to go to much into thisbecause I don't have that much time (damn school exams), but I recall that I wrote a really long post on this.

Compatibilist = (Determinism + Free Will) Togather

But it's the events in your life that makes your personallity, and it's your personallity that makes your choices.
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As the resident Compatibilist I can say my stance is both a supporter of free will and determinism. You see the choices we can make are all predetermined but the choice we make out of those choices is not. Events are predetermined, choices are not.  I'm not going to go to much into thisbecause I don't have that much time (damn school exams), but I recall that I wrote a really long post on this.

Compatibilist = (Determinism + Free Will) Togather

But it's the events in your life that makes your personallity, and it's your personallity that makes your choices.

Not really. It's more like rolling a dice, actually. For example, a twin leading completely the same life could easily have different personalities. And vice versa - two unrelated people having two completely different lives can still have roughly the same personality.

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As the resident Compatibilist I can say my stance is both a supporter of free will and determinism. You see the choices we can make are all predetermined but the choice we make out of those choices is not. Events are predetermined, choices are not.  I'm not going to go to much into thisbecause I don't have that much time (damn school exams), but I recall that I wrote a really long post on this.

Compatibilist = (Determinism + Free Will) Togather

But it's the events in your life that makes your personallity, and it's your personallity that makes your choices.

Not really. It's more like rolling a dice, actually. For example, a twin leading completely the same life could easily have different personalities. And vice versa - two unrelated people having two completely different lives can still have roughly the same personality.

-Dirk

But that's because of genes and the nature of twins. Twins strive to be different self consciously, so they might have completly different personallities.

Plus, if life was like a rolling dice, why are so many people like their parents? Or like their friends, or act the same when givin the same events.
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Jan 15 2007, 04:24 PM
As the resident Compatibilist I can say my stance is both a supporter of free will and determinism. You see the choices we can make are all predetermined but the choice we make out of those choices is not. Events are predetermined, choices are not.  I'm not going to go to much into thisbecause I don't have that much time (damn school exams), but I recall that I wrote a really long post on this.

Compatibilist = (Determinism + Free Will) Togather

But it's the events in your life that makes your personallity, and it's your personallity that makes your choices.

Not really. It's more like rolling a dice, actually. For example, a twin leading completely the same life could easily have different personalities. And vice versa - two unrelated people having two completely different lives can still have roughly the same personality.

-Dirk

But that's because of genes and the nature of twins. Twins strive to be different self consciously, so they might have completly different personallities.

Plus, if life was like a rolling dice, why are so many people like their parents? Or like their friends, or act the same when givin the same events.

I admit, I was a bit unclear at that. Of course, things are also influenced by external impulses.

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As the resident Compatibilist I can say my stance is both a supporter of free will and determinism. You see the choices we can make are all predetermined but the choice we make out of those choices is not. Events are predetermined, choices are not.  I'm not going to go to much into thisbecause I don't have that much time (damn school exams), but I recall that I wrote a really long post on this.

Compatibilist = (Determinism + Free Will) Togather

But it's the events in your life that makes your personallity, and it's your personallity that makes your choices.

Not really. It's more like rolling a dice, actually. For example, a twin leading completely the same life could easily have different personalities. And vice versa - two unrelated people having two completely different lives can still have roughly the same personality.

-Dirk

But that's because of genes and the nature of twins. Twins strive to be different self consciously, so they might have completly different personallities.

Plus, if life was like a rolling dice, why are so many people like their parents? Or like their friends, or act the same when givin the same events.

I admit, I was a bit unclear at that. Of course, things are also influenced by external impulses.

-Dirk

Good point, some impulses are "random". But then again, even impulses are from personallity and genes (mostly genes).
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Good point, some impulses are "random". But then again, even impulses are from personallity and genes (mostly genes).


If you want to argue that, then all genes are made up of atoms. Those genes are made up of protiens, those of molecules, those of atoms, those of electrons,protons,neutrons, those are made up of up and down (and strange but they're really rare) quarks. Quarks are if you don't know, are explained by Quantum Mechanics. (which if you read earlier, it is a theory based on randomness).

So the genes that you use to explain determinism really aren't pre determined themselves...

Another thing personality is not a product of just nature. Sure we can get some basic traits of our personality from our genes, but it is nurture that shapes our personaility. Also an impulses have nothing to do with your personality (since personality is what we expect a person to do in a situation).
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Jan 15 2007, 08:19 PM


Another thing personality is not a product of just nature. Sure we can get some basic traits of our personality from our genes, but it is nurture that shapes our personaility.

I said that in my first post. And most of the other ones in this thread.

I belive in QM, but once the quarks turn into complete matter, they are less random. If our personallities were random, we would act differently every day.
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I would like to have a Ferrari Testosterosa (sic). It ain't gonna happen. This does not crush me.

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Jan 16 2007, 12:24 AM
You see the choices we can make are all predetermined but the choice we make out of those choices is not.

This is gibberish, philisophically speaking. The technical term is "begging the question".

The issue is not "free will vs. determinism" the issue is "free will as a concept just doesn't make any sense whatsoever".
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I would like to have a Ferrari Testosterosa (sic).  It ain't gonna happen.  This does not crush me.

Essentially every human strives to have a Testarossa.

I don't strive to have a Testosterossa...

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The thing that got me think was the fact that the chemical was natural, our emotions are controlled by chemicals in our brain. This made me think, are we actually alive? Our brain is just a bunch of brain cells conected by energy and chemicals, and our brain cells themselves are made by atoms.

You've realized at the age of twelve that nearly all people never manage to understand.
You're entirely right. We are nothing more than the product of our minds, which are nothing more than the product of protiens and chemicals, which are nothing more than the product of chemical and physical reactions, which are nothing more than the product of chemistry and physics, both of which follow simple rules and can be predicted.

In reality, us, the planet, everything, is just one long chemical reaction taking place on a universal scale.
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You've realized at the age of twelve that nearly all people never manage to understand.


You're just saying that because he agreed with you...

I understand your point I just don't agree with it...
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I would like to have a Ferrari Testosterosa (sic).  It ain't gonna happen.  This does not crush me.

Essentially every human strives to have a Testarossa.

I don't strive to have a Testosterossa...

-Dirk

Me either, but mainly because I'm not Eurotrash...I want a McLaren F1, mainly because I'm white trash.
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The thing that got me think was the fact that the chemical was natural, our emotions are controlled by chemicals in our brain. This made me think, are we actually alive? Our brain is just a bunch of brain cells conected by energy and chemicals, and our brain cells themselves  are made by atoms.

You've realized at the age of twelve that nearly all people never manage to understand.
You're entirely right. We are nothing more than the product of our minds, which are nothing more than the product of protiens and chemicals, which are nothing more than the product of chemical and physical reactions, which are nothing more than the product of chemistry and physics, both of which follow simple rules and can be predicted.

In reality, us, the planet, everything, is just one long chemical reaction taking place on a universal scale.

Holy friggen crap this place is awesome. So many people here actually understand what I'm saying! My friends never do....
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