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Good vs Evil; The ultimete fight?
Topic Started: Jan 17 2007, 03:16 PM (1,951 Views)
piercehawkeye45
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We are not superior to anything, we say think we are. If we didn't than we would have been killed out a long time ago, it's evolution.

We are just part of the universe, we are not anything special. We are just one piece to a puzzle except that the puzzle doesn't come out to anything. A better analogy is that we are a rock on a gravel road.

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Jan 20 2007, 03:45 AM
There are no aliens in the immediate area (one may assume), there are only lower lifeforms with less intelegence (thus making them inferior to us, we are the ultimate result of evolution) therefor the world and universe exist to serve us because WE ARE THE ONLY ONES WHO CARE ABOUT IT!!! If there is any other puzzle pieces lying around show them to me.

it is impossible for a human to grasp what lies in the universe, One will never be able to comprehend.
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1. To say that evolution stops with us is foolish.
2. You have the title Styx Ferryman because that's what you get at your particular post count. Don't like it? Tough.
3. There is no proof to say there isn't something more advanced than us out there. In the immediate area, it is unlikely. In the whole universe, it is more than probable.
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Like it or not, humans aren't the final step of evolution. We are the first intelligent species on the planet, but we won't be the last. If we're lucky our race will probelly survive or evolve into something else, but we could just get hit by a meteor. Evolution is adapting to your environment, if we put 3 groups of humans on three different planets that were hostible and came back a half a million years latter they would all be differnet from each other.

Oh and about that superiority complex you got Pie, I suggest you look at the pic of Saturn with earth in the backround and just see how big our lives result in the rest of the universe...
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I am simply saying that the rest of the universe in the immediate vicinity (i.e. how ever far we can reach by spaceship, not far) is inanimate. There may be other pieces of gravel lying on the road but they are either inanimate or to far away for us to reach at the moment. Therefor, as I have previously stated, until someone else comes around wanting to share it, the universe is subject to the will of man. With the will of man the only thing around anything that causes dicomfort to more people than it helps is evil.
Also, evolution will likely occur within man. We have already evolved to be smarter, practicaly hairless, and exceptionaly wimpy compared to other animals.
Saturn may be magnificent however it doesn't think and so therefor is less important than man.
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Jan 20 2007, 03:32 PM
I am simply saying that the rest of the universe in the immediate vicinity (i.e. how ever far we can reach by spaceship, not far) is inanimate. There may be other pieces of gravel lying on the road but they are either inanimate or to far away for us to reach at the moment. Therefor, as I have previously stated, until someone else comes around wanting to share it, the universe is subject to the will of man. With the will of man the only thing around anything that causes dicomfort to more people than it helps is evil.
Also, evolution will likely occur within man. We have already evolved to be smarter, practicaly hairless, and exceptionaly wimpy compared to other animals.
Saturn may be magnificent however it doesn't think and so therefor is less important than man.

But what is man? Man thinks that it is important, but really it is just another byproduct of nature. Man lives in their own little world, which has their own idea of good and evil. But there is more then just us, and we fail to realize that we're just some chemicals and calls, and sence when do cell's opinions of good and evil count?


Plus, Not all of mans good and evil is the same. Back in the olden days were there were different tries of man seperated across the globe, different people thought different things. Some civizations thought that killing innocent people to solve their problems was perfectly normal, but now that we have good and evil based on the media now, so if you heard someone doing that now it would be called evil in a second. (Just to say, I do think killing is wrong, just an example.
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We are a byproduct of nature, that is true, however we happen to be conscious and so because we are conscious, have feelings, and are alive we are more important than the non conscious blobs of matter that make up the universe in our basic viscinity (no superiority complex there, just fact).
Also while mans oppinion of what's right and wrong have changed I said that what is good for man is good and what hurts man is evil and so murder is a crime by this definition.
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Jan 20 2007, 05:15 PM
We are a byproduct of nature, that is true, however we happen to be conscious and so because we are conscious, have feelings, and are alive we are more important than the non conscious blobs of matter that make up the universe in our basic viscinity (no superiority complex there, just fact).
Also while mans oppinion of what's right and wrong have changed I said that what is good for man is good and what hurts man is evil and so murder is a crime by this definition.

Giving speeding tickets is a crime too by that defenition...

EDIT: That means that technically, the police is a bunch of criminals.

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Jan 20 2007, 04:15 PM
We are a byproduct of nature, that is true, however we happen to be conscious and so because we are conscious, have feelings, and are alive we are more important than the non conscious blobs of matter that make up the universe in our basic viscinity (no superiority complex there, just fact).
Also while mans oppinion of what's right and wrong have changed I said that what is good for man is good and what hurts man is evil and so murder is a crime by this definition.

Bleh, it allways comes done to this. How can you prove that other things don't think? We are just atoms that create "thoughts" but aren't they just atoms to?
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Jan 20 2007, 09:18 AM
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Jan 20 2007, 05:15 PM
We are a byproduct of nature, that is true, however we happen to be conscious and so because we are conscious, have feelings, and are alive we are more important than the non conscious blobs of matter that make up the universe in our basic viscinity (no superiority complex there, just fact).
Also while mans oppinion of what's right and wrong have changed I said that what is good for man is good and what hurts man is evil and so murder is a crime by this definition.

Giving speeding tickets is a crime too by that defenition...

EDIT: That means that technically, the police is a bunch of criminals.

-Dirk

The police give people tickets to prevent accidents that would hurt man as a whole. The police, and indeed all law and order, exists to prevent anarchy which would be very harmful to man.
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Jan 20 2007, 05:26 PM
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Jan 20 2007, 09:18 AM
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Jan 20 2007, 05:15 PM
We are a byproduct of nature, that is true, however we happen to be conscious and so because we are conscious, have feelings, and are alive we are more important than the non conscious blobs of matter that make up the universe in our basic viscinity (no superiority complex there, just fact).
Also while mans oppinion of what's right and wrong have changed I said that what is good for man is good and what hurts man is evil and so murder is a crime by this definition.

Giving speeding tickets is a crime too by that defenition...

EDIT: That means that technically, the police is a bunch of criminals.

-Dirk

The police give people tickets to prevent accidents that would hurt man as a whole. The police, and indeed all law and order, exists to prevent anarchy which would be very harmful to man.

Anyone who isn't drugged/drunk/debilic should be capable of keeping the speed from getting to high him/herself I think...

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Jan 20 2007, 11:15 AM
We are a byproduct of nature, that is true, however we happen to be conscious and so because we are conscious, have feelings, and are alive we are more important than the non conscious blobs of matter that make up the universe in our basic viscinity (no superiority complex there, just fact).

That we are conscious and other things (in the immediate vicinity) are not? Some might disagree with you, but I won't on that matter.
That we are more important? That isn't fact.


At any rate, you're claiming the universe is subject to the will of man. That isn't immediate vicinity. Once again, it is more than probable that there are other intelligent lifeforms out there.
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Jan 20 2007, 06:14 PM
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Jan 20 2007, 11:15 AM
We are a byproduct of nature, that is true, however we happen to be conscious and so because we are conscious, have feelings, and are alive we are more important than the non conscious blobs of matter that make up the universe in our basic viscinity (no superiority complex there, just fact).

That we are conscious and other things (in the immediate vicinity) are not? Some might disagree with you, but I won't on that matter.
That we are more important? That isn't fact.


At any rate, you're claiming the universe is subject to the will of man. That isn't immediate vicinity. Once again, it is more than probable that there are other intelligent lifeforms out there.

Considering the fact that the universe is infinitely big, there should be an infinite amount of intelligent lifeforms in it. We're just one of them.

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There are many stupid drivers out there Dirk. If we didn't have speed limits, some people would be going 60 on an insterstate and others would be going 100+. That is just asking for a fatal crash.
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Fixed it.

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