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I think therfore i am?
Topic Started: Jan 19 2007, 11:28 AM (1,018 Views)
Cojin
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I think therfore i am....?
I think therfore i might be...?

lets be blunt.. you as yourself is not the person you are (still following me here?) but more or less what life has created you to be and as a fact of the matter could be easily changed. now if that would make us not have an identiy (refer to personality thread) and how chemicles could easily contrrol who we are does that make us evan us? and you get down to it everything is atoms but that owuld mean atoms need to be made of somthing it wouldent make sence do have a simple solid object (they already proved there made of somthing) wouldent that make everything smaller and smaller thus couldent it be possible for us to be part of our own atom or particle of some sort and not no it and if so what would be the point its just the small part of one maschine the great philosapher (mind spelling and please tell me the name of) doubted his own existancec until coming to the conclusion i think therefor i am .now arnt thoughts just random jolts of energy pulsing through a network of cells in turn that are made of rearanged atoms to form chemicles that combine to make the cell so what would seperate the cells of say your brain from your skin becuse if you go really tiny wouldent everything would be made of the same thing. so wouldent that mean your hand is capable of thought ... so whats to say your hands evan there or evan your brain for that matter . we only know things exist becuse we can see.hear.taste.smell.feal. them but how is that indefinit proof justbecuse somthing seems to be there dosent mean it realy is so whats to say we are ? whats to say im typing this out right now and whats to say im not? just becuse your reading it? what does that prove? that for some reson text shows up on a screen? whos to say im really not here and the text was always here jsut for you to read but made to look like some person did? now imagine if everything was like that wouldent that mean that we wouldent nessesaraly have to exist if everything is there for you inperticular?
so whats to say your thoughts arnt the same that there not somthing planned out or let alone evan there? mabey your thoughts are a "figment of your imagination" well of course an imagination wouldent exist eather. try thinking............good...well for some of you anyways :P...you hear your own voicee right? now wouldent that be considerd hearing voices. But wait you havent actuly said anything but yet you seemingly heard your own voice . there goes using sound as an identifier of existance.now keep your eyes open and picture a car infront of you you see it dont you? well you see it but the moment you think about seeing it it goes away and is more or less not a picture but the thought of seeing what is there(if your doing all this right it will be really freaky) you can still see the cpu but somwhere in the back of your mind you see the car... so whats to say the cpus and everything around you is just in the back of your mind ...would make proving by sight dificult to eh? now lets go onto well touch... what i want you to do is close your eyes and pretend to touch a wall infront of you just pretend and pretend your body will start to tell you that somthings there but you will not feal it.. so now wahts to say your bodys not just telling you that the keybord is there and you think your typing? now taste.. try to rememebrb exactly what somthing tastes like? well you think you just did but you cant you probaly thought of things like bacon i know its good salty but what exactly is good and salty you will never rememebr the taste agein tell you actuly taste it meaning that wahts to say the taste is really there?
same goes for smell and pain

now i want you to remember the past when you were a kid (try to make it a good memory please) now try to remember what you were thinking then now trry to remmeber 10 seconds ago? and finaly try to remmebr now wahts the diffrencec between all those ? nothing how do you know what you rememberd really happend what is the proof behind it? evan if theres picturse how can you prove that each person that looks at that picture sees a diffrent thing? just cant be proven can it?

so how possibly can i prove that im actuly thinking????? welll i cant... so icant really prove i am can i?

exuse me for bad spelling grammer mistakes exc but when i type things like this i get caught in the moment but please give feadback (willing to make arguable :P ) and gratz if u read it all without skipping lines
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Jan 19 2007, 11:28 AM
I think therfore i am....?
I think therfore i might be...?

lets be blunt.. you as yourself is not the person you are (still following me here?) but more or less what life has created you to be and as a fact of the matter could be easily changed. now if that would make us not have an identiy (refer to personality thread) and how chemicles could easily contrrol who we are does that make us evan us? and you get down to it everything is atoms but that owuld mean atoms need to be made of somthing it wouldent make sence do have a simple solid object (they already proved there made of somthing) wouldent that make everything smaller and smaller thus couldent it be possible for us to be part of our own atom or particle of some sort and not no it and if so what would be the point its just the small part of one maschine the great philosapher (mind spelling and please tell me the name of) doubted his own existancec until coming to the conclusion i think therefor i am .now arnt thoughts just random jolts of energy pulsing through a network of cells in turn that are made of rearanged atoms to form chemicles that combine to make the cell so what would seperate the cells of say your brain from your skin becuse if you go really tiny wouldent everything would be made of the same thing. so wouldent that mean your hand is capable of thought ... so whats to say your hands evan there or evan your brain for that matter . we only know things exist becuse we can see.hear.taste.smell.feal. them but how is that indefinit proof justbecuse somthing seems to be there dosent mean it realy is so whats to say we are ? whats to say im typing this out right now and whats to say im not? just becuse your reading it? what does that prove? that for some reson text shows up on a screen? whos to say im really not here and the text was always here jsut for you to read but made to look like some person did? now imagine if everything was like that wouldent that mean that we wouldent nessesaraly have to exist if everything is there for you inperticular?
so whats to say your thoughts arnt the same that there not somthing planned out or let alone evan there? mabey your thoughts are a "figment of your imagination" well of course an imagination wouldent exist eather. try thinking............good...well for some of you anyways :P...you hear your own voicee right? now wouldent that be considerd hearing voices. But wait you havent actuly said anything but yet you seemingly heard your own voice . there goes using sound as an identifier of existance.now keep your eyes open and picture a car infront of you you see it dont you? well you see it but the moment you think about seeing it it goes away and is more or less not a picture but the thought of seeing what is there(if your doing all this right it will be really freaky) you can still see the cpu but somwhere in the back of your mind you see the car... so whats to say the cpus and everything around you is just in the back of your mind ...would make proving by sight dificult to eh? now lets go onto well touch... what i want you to do is close your eyes and pretend to touch a wall infront of you just pretend and pretend your body will start to tell you that somthings there but you will not feal it.. so now wahts to say your bodys not just telling you that the keybord is there and you think your typing? now taste.. try to rememebrb exactly what somthing tastes like? well you think you just did but you cant you probaly thought of things like bacon i know its good salty but what exactly is good and salty you will never rememebr the taste agein tell you actuly taste it meaning that wahts to say the taste is really there?
same goes for smell and pain

now i want you to remember the past when you were a kid (try to make it a good memory please) now try to remember what you were thinking then now trry to remmeber 10 seconds ago? and finaly try to remmebr now wahts the diffrencec between all those ? nothing how do you know what you rememberd really happend what is the proof behind it? evan if theres picturse how can you prove that each person that looks at that picture sees a diffrent thing? just cant be proven can it?

so how possibly can i prove that im actuly thinking????? welll i cant... so icant really prove i am can i?

exuse me for bad spelling grammer mistakes exc but when i type things like this i get caught in the moment but please give feadback (willing to make arguable :P ) and gratz if u read it all without skipping lines

You are awesome. I couldn't read half of that, but I get your point. Welcome to Exit Mundi by the way. And I agree with you, I don't think we are alive. If you belive in the evolution theroy you can see we just evolve to fit in with our surrondings, so do we really have free will? I'm not going to repeat my point, so just look at the personallity thread for my thought on this matter.


BTW, Cojin, would your name happen to be Alex?
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If you have problems with spelling use Firefox, it has a built in spell check.... haha and they forgot to put Firefox in so my computer says it is wrong.
anyway.... good point, but if your mind made it all up then what made your mind? Wouldn't the existence of a mind to create false senses prove you exist? Or on another note even if we are made for the moment by *insert mysterious force here* then you would still exist, even if it was just for a few seconds, but but if you are able to have a thought (fake or not) about existence then you would exist for that brief moment.
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I don't think we are alive.

what the hell does that even mean? we ARE alive, in that we have the ability to die... you can't kill an inanimate object, but you CAN kill a human or a cat or a bird or a plant, so they ARE alive...
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Jan 19 2007, 04:06 PM
If you have problems with spelling use Firefox, it has a built in spell check.... haha and they forgot to put Firefox in so my computer says it is wrong.
anyway.... good point, but if your mind made it all up then what made your mind? Wouldn't the existence of a mind to create false senses prove you exist? Or on another note even if we are made for the moment by *insert mysterious force here* then you would still exist, even if it was just for a few seconds, but but if you are able to have a thought (fake or not) about existence then you would exist for that brief moment.




QUOTE (That guy on the forum @ Jan 19 2007, 07:10 AM)
I don't think we are alive.


what the hell does that even mean? we ARE alive, in that we have the ability to die... you can't kill an inanimate object, but you CAN kill a human or a cat or a bird or a plant, so they ARE alive...



if you read closly i mention how i could not exist and you cant really prove that im typing what i am and evant that this text is really evan here


(sorry dont have time for a long explenation)

alive would be the wrong term to us death and life is a frame of time but without existans that wouldent be nessasary eather now would it? so i jsut used the wrond word i shoulda said i dont think i exist





and no my name is not alex
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Jan 19 2007, 11:28 AM
I think therfore i am....?
I think therfore i might be...?

lets be blunt.. you as yourself is not the person you are (still following me here?) but more or less what life has created you to be and as a fact of the matter could be easily changed. now if that would make us not have an identiy (refer to personality thread) and how chemicles could easily contrrol who we are does that make us evan us? and you get down to it everything is atoms but that owuld mean atoms need to be made of somthing it wouldent make sence do have a simple solid object (they already proved there made of somthing) wouldent that make everything smaller and smaller thus couldent it be possible for us to be part of our own atom or particle of some sort and not no it and if so what would be the point its just the small part of one maschine the great philosapher (mind spelling and please tell me the name of) doubted his own existancec until coming to the conclusion i think therefor i am .now arnt thoughts just random jolts of energy pulsing through a network of cells in turn that are made of rearanged atoms to form chemicles that combine to make the cell so what would seperate the cells of say your brain from your skin becuse if you go really tiny wouldent everything would be made of the same thing. so wouldent that mean your hand is capable of thought ... so whats to say your hands evan there or evan your brain for that matter . we only know things exist becuse we can see.hear.taste.smell.feal. them but how is that indefinit proof justbecuse somthing seems to be there dosent mean it realy is so whats to say we are ? whats to say im typing this out right now and whats to say im not? just becuse your reading it? what does that prove? that for some reson text shows up on a screen? whos to say im really not here and the text was always here jsut for you to read but made to look like some person did? now imagine if everything was like that wouldent that mean that we wouldent nessesaraly have to exist if everything is there for you inperticular?
so whats to say your thoughts arnt the same that there not somthing planned out or let alone evan there? mabey your thoughts are a "figment of your imagination" well of course an imagination wouldent exist eather. try thinking............good...well for some of you anyways :P...you hear your own voicee right? now wouldent that be considerd hearing voices. But wait you havent actuly said anything but yet you seemingly heard your own voice . there goes using sound as an identifier of existance.now keep your eyes open and picture a car infront of you you see it dont you? well you see it but the moment you think about seeing it it goes away and is more or less not a picture but the thought of seeing what is there(if your doing all this right it will be really freaky) you can still see the cpu but somwhere in the back of your mind you see the car... so whats to say the cpus and everything around you is just in the back of your mind ...would make proving by sight dificult to eh? now lets go onto well touch... what i want you to do is close your eyes and pretend to touch a wall infront of you just pretend and pretend your body will start to tell you that somthings there but you will not feal it.. so now wahts to say your bodys not just telling you that the keybord is there and you think your typing? now taste.. try to rememebrb exactly what somthing tastes like? well you think you just did but you cant you probaly thought of things like bacon i know its good salty but what exactly is good and salty you will never rememebr the taste agein tell you actuly taste it meaning that wahts to say the taste is really there?
same goes for smell and pain

now i want you to remember the past when you were a kid (try to make it a good memory please) now try to remember what you were thinking then now trry to remmeber 10 seconds ago? and finaly try to remmebr now wahts the diffrencec between all those ? nothing how do you know what you rememberd really happend what is the proof behind it? evan if theres picturse how can you prove that each person that looks at that picture sees a diffrent thing? just cant be proven can it?

so how possibly can i prove that im actuly thinking????? welll i cant... so icant really prove i am can i?

exuse me for bad spelling grammer mistakes exc but when i type things like this i get caught in the moment but please give feadback (willing to make arguable :P ) and gratz if u read it all without skipping lines

Now reading your whole thing, I don't think that our intier life can be an illusion.
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if you read closly i mention how i could not exist and you cant really prove that im typing what i am and evant that this text is really evan here


I can prove you're typing because I'm reading it...
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Jan 19 2007, 06:28 AM
I think therfore i am....?
I think therfore i might be...?

lets be blunt.. you as yourself is not the person you are (still following me here?) but more or less what life has created you to be and as a fact of the matter could be easily changed. now if that would make us not have an identiy (refer to personality thread) and how chemicles could easily contrrol who we are does that make us evan us? and you get down to it everything is atoms but that owuld mean atoms need to be made of somthing it wouldent make sence do have a simple solid object (they already proved there made of somthing) wouldent that make everything smaller and smaller thus couldent it be possible for us to be part of our own atom or particle of some sort and not no it and if so what would be the point its just the small part of one maschine the great philosapher (mind spelling and please tell me the name of) doubted his own existancec until coming to the conclusion i think therefor i am .now arnt thoughts just random jolts of energy pulsing through a network of cells in turn that are made of rearanged atoms to form chemicles that combine to make the cell so what would seperate the cells of say your brain from your skin becuse if you go really tiny wouldent everything would be made of the same thing. so wouldent that mean your hand is capable of thought ... so whats to say your hands evan there or evan your brain for that matter . we only know things exist becuse we can see.hear.taste.smell.feal. them but how is that indefinit proof justbecuse somthing seems to be there dosent mean it realy is so whats to say we are ? whats to say im typing this out right now and whats to say im not? just becuse your reading it? what does that prove? that for some reson text shows up on a screen? whos to say im really not here and the text was always here jsut for you to read but made to look like some person did? now imagine if everything was like that wouldent that mean that we wouldent nessesaraly have to exist if everything is there for you inperticular?
so whats to say your thoughts arnt the same that there not somthing planned out or let alone evan there? mabey your thoughts are a "figment of your imagination" well of course an imagination wouldent exist eather. try thinking............good...well for some of you anyways :P...you hear your own voicee right? now wouldent that be considerd hearing voices. But wait you havent actuly said anything but yet you seemingly heard your own voice . there goes using sound as an identifier of existance.now keep your eyes open and picture a car infront of you you see it dont you? well you see it but the moment you think about seeing it it goes away and is more or less not a picture but the thought of seeing what is there(if your doing all this right it will be really freaky) you can still see the cpu but somwhere in the back of your mind you see the car... so whats to say the cpus and everything around you is just in the back of your mind ...would make proving by sight dificult to eh? now lets go onto well touch... what i want you to do is close your eyes and pretend to touch a wall infront of you just pretend and pretend your body will start to tell you that somthings there but you will not feal it.. so now wahts to say your bodys not just telling you that the keybord is there and you think your typing? now taste.. try to rememebrb exactly what somthing tastes like? well you think you just did but you cant you probaly thought of things like bacon i know its good salty but what exactly is good and salty you will never rememebr the taste agein tell you actuly taste it meaning that wahts to say the taste is really there?
same goes for smell and pain

now i want you to remember the past when you were a kid (try to make it a good memory please) now try to remember what you were thinking then now trry to remmeber 10 seconds ago? and finaly try to remmebr now wahts the diffrencec between all those ? nothing how do you know what you rememberd really happend what is the proof behind it? evan if theres picturse how can you prove that each person that looks at that picture sees a diffrent thing? just cant be proven can it?

so how possibly can i prove that im actuly thinking????? welll i cant... so icant really prove i am can i?

exuse me for bad spelling grammer mistakes exc but when i type things like this i get caught in the moment but please give feadback (willing to make arguable :P ) and gratz if u read it all without skipping lines

Dude, could you please use some proper grammar and spelling? How hard is it to type up some periods, commas, and capitalized letters?
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if you read closly i mention how i could not exist and you cant really prove that im typing what i am and evant that this text is really evan here


I can prove you're typing because I'm reading it...

I think what he is aiming for is the "Is life just a dream?" thing. We can't prove what we are seeing is real, for it could all be a dream or Illusion, but still our midn needs to be basing it on something. I think this thread is more of a conspiracy then a philosphy, and a kind of weak one at that.
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if you read closly i mention how i could not exist and you cant really prove that im typing what i am and evant that this text is really evan here


I can prove you're typing because I'm reading it...

We could all be mass-hallucinating.
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if you read closly i mention how i could not exist and you cant really prove that im typing what i am and evant that this text is really evan here


I can prove you're typing because I'm reading it...

We could all be mass-hallucinating.

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if you read closly i mention how i could not exist and you cant really prove that im typing what i am and evant that this text is really evan here


I can prove you're typing because I'm reading it...

We could all be mass-hallucinating.

No, it's just me. None of you guys exist.
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