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Topic Started: Jan 19 2007, 11:52 AM (958 Views)
Dizzarth Stumpy
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Killer Bee
Jan 19 2007, 10:14 AM
But, if you think about it Stumpy, no one on this forum has any definate proof that the posts they are reading are actually being typed by a seperate conscious. What I mean is from your point of view you responded to a person with the screen name "Killer Bee", but there's no proof that there is anyone on the other end, it could just be the illusion that you are responding to a person. I guess the saying "if a tree falls in the forest and no one is there to hear it, would it make a noise?". That's the best way I can explain it, the illusion can be from anyone's perspective.

that's more of a question of "is the internet real?" than "is reality real?"...
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Darth Stumpy
Jan 19 2007, 06:56 PM
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Jan 19 2007, 10:14 AM
But, if you think about it Stumpy, no one on this forum has any definate proof that the posts they are reading are actually being typed by a seperate conscious.  What I mean is from your point of view you responded to a person with the screen name "Killer Bee", but there's no proof that there is anyone on the other end, it could just be the illusion that you are responding to a person.  I guess the saying "if a tree falls in the forest and no one is there to hear it, would it make a noise?".  That's the best way I can explain it, the illusion can be from anyone's perspective.

that's more of a question of "is the internet real?" than "is reality real?"...

Not really. It doesn't have to be just with the internet, it could be in any situtiation. What I'm trying to say is that if life is an illusion, then everyone around you is just part of the illusion.
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Jan 19 2007, 11:00 AM
Not really. It doesn't have to be just with the internet, it could be in any situtiation. What I'm trying to say is that if life is an illusion, then everyone around you is just part of the illusion.

that's an interesting perspective, one that i've heard before, but i find it rather stupid, to be frank... all the things and people around me i perceive, i can interact with them, therefore they ARE real.. if life is an illusion, then what ISN'T an illusion? nothing, ergo the illusion BECOMES reality logically, because it's all that's there... unless you want to talk a bout a whole "Matrix" scenario, but that's an entirely different (and lame) story....
STUMPY WAS RIGHT. HIS TOUCHING SOLILOQUY HAS MOVED ME, TRULY A MANIPULATOR OF THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE. I HAVE ALLOWED HIM USAGE OF HIS PREVIOUS ACCOUNT.
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Jan 19 2007, 07:06 PM
Killer Bee
Jan 19 2007, 11:00 AM
Not really.  It doesn't have to be just with the internet, it could be in any situtiation.  What I'm trying to say is that if life is an illusion, then everyone around you is just part of the illusion. 

that's an interesting perspective, one that i've heard before, but i find it rather stupid, to be frank... all the things and people around me i perceive, i can interact with them, therefore they ARE real.. if life is an illusion, then what ISN'T an illusion? nothing, ergo the illusion BECOMES reality logically, because it's all that's there... unless you want to talk a bout a whole "Matrix" scenario, but that's an entirely different (and lame) story....

Oh, I agree with what you are saying. I don't believe everything around me is an illusion, just an interesting monkey wrench to throw into a topic's gears. If you set and think about something like that, you could almost drive yourself crazy, or become a conspiracy theorist.
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Jan 19 2007, 11:09 AM
just an interesting monkey wrench to throw into a topic's gears.

i find this whole "lol m i reel?" debate to be more of a way for philosophy students to make themselves look smart...
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Jan 19 2007, 07:11 PM
Killer Bee
Jan 19 2007, 11:09 AM
just an interesting monkey wrench to throw into a topic's gears.

i find this whole "lol m i reel?" debate to be more of a way for philosophy students to make themselves look smart...

The problem is it's been done millions of times across millions of internet forums by millions of high and drunk college students.
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I hate threads like these. What does it matter if you really do or don't exist? People should really stop getting their panties in a knot aboot this kinda BS.
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Jan 19 2007, 11:40 AM
I hate threads like these. What does it matter if you really do or don't exist? People should really stop getting their panties in a knot aboot this kinda BS.

oh, i concur... philosophy is like scientific masturbation... it's enjoyable, sure, but it can't yield a real, tangible outcome and in the end it's not all that satisfying...
STUMPY WAS RIGHT. HIS TOUCHING SOLILOQUY HAS MOVED ME, TRULY A MANIPULATOR OF THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE. I HAVE ALLOWED HIM USAGE OF HIS PREVIOUS ACCOUNT.
EHRHRHRHRNGGHH
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Jan 19 2007, 08:04 PM
Gri3vous
Jan 19 2007, 11:40 AM
I hate threads like these. What does it matter if you really do or don't exist? People should really stop getting their panties in a knot aboot this kinda BS.

oh, i concur... philosophy is like scientific masturbation... it's enjoyable, sure, but it can't yield a real, tangible outcome and in the end it's not all that satisfying...

Stumpy, I found your analogy..........satisfying.
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Jan 19 2007, 03:03 PM
I exist, I mean the atoms that make me are real. But I am not alive, I have thoughts that make me me, but those thoughts are just brain cells and chemicals.

You are alive, if you weren't you wouldn't be able to think. Being alive has nothing with being an illusion. Something that is alive breathes, produces waste, takes energy from the sun, and reproduces. (I think there's more but these are the basic four.)
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I exist. Even if I don't, it doesn't really have any bearing on where I'm headed in life. Interesting to think about, but it doesn't have any practical consequences.
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We infact do exist... even if its a figment of ours or someone elses imagination. And, we also exist in many dimensions on the quantium level.

But all and all, if you break it down to the smallest of things, we are nothing more then a symphony of vibrations, nothing more... nothing less

So the real answer to that question is yes... and no :D

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Jan 19 2007, 06:07 PM
But all and all, if you break it down to the smallest of things, we are nothing more then a symphony of vibrations, nothing more... nothing less

Allusion to String Theory?
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Jan 19 2007, 06:07 PM
We infact do exist... even if its a figment of ours or someone elses imagination. And, we also exist in many dimensions on the quantium level.

But all and all, if you break it down to the smallest of things, we are nothing more then a symphony of vibrations, nothing more... nothing less

So the real answer to that question is yes... and no :D

That is assuming that String Theory is correct.
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