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Is there a God?; How did we come to be?
Topic Started: Jan 19 2007, 03:20 PM (2,673 Views)
sabertooth
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Khan
Feb 10 2007, 10:31 PM
sabertooth
Feb 10 2007, 05:47 PM
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Feb 9 2007, 08:00 PM
I'm pretty sure that if there is a God, it can't be a God of the 3 Abrahamic religions...

No offence to anyone but I think those religions are the only ones that look at god as a pure form without connections to anything else. Everything else from Buddhism to Confucianism does not really agree with the god theory, or if they do it is many gods like Hinduism.

Pure form?

Christianity - More like a chimeira-god whose heads are sometimes against each other. The Father's angry at Adam, sin polluted us, and Jesus became the passover lamb to protect us from...itself?!?!?!

And why is insulting Holy Spirit is unforgivable? This sidekick Godlet doesn't do anything save looking like a dove or something.

Judaism - I think it is a way to make the actions of the tribes of Israel justifiable.

They pillage and burn a city. What happened? The inhabitants worshipped idols, or made their "Lord" angry in any way. Not to mention making virgins as trophies of war. Burning animal offerings? Lord likes a barbecue? Cutting off the natural result of evolution, the foreskin which protects the head of the penis? Bullshit to me.

The idea of Jewish people being Chosen in any way makes me sick.

Islam - Update those above, make it a bit more acceptable law-set with theocratic civil government applications (zakat, alms etc...), allow but discourage polygamy (the verse about Women says that. If you can afford more, OK, but if not, make do with one for it is the proper way of devoting one's law) , make people set slaves free , make tolerant laws

(if you have an illness preventing fasting, pay a poor man to eat for days equal you have to fast)

If you can't pray or cleanse before prayer properly, do it with the best you can do.

Their idea of God has contradictions in their books. And a lot of violence and unequality. I think they are man-made entirely.

I think more of a Wiccan style God and Goddess...

Wicca is a pagan religion in that it is polytheistic and nature-revering. Since it is an old religion that is practised currently, it may also be referred to as neo-pagan. Its roots can be found in pre-Christian paganism, and it is a blend of European pagan folk tradition and 19th- and 20th-century occultism. Its present form was most likely developed in the 1930s or 1940s; however, this is a point of considerable debate inside and outside the religion. The point most often disputed is exactly how many of the traditions stem from ancient traditions and to what extent Wicca can be considered modern. There are several traditions related to Wicca, and some of them have led to other “denominations” or kinds of Wicca. Generally, however, Wicca can be defined by a few principal beliefs.

Wicca honours many gods and goddesses. The religion may be considered pantheistic in that its gods and goddesses are identified with and manifested in nature. Some Wiccans believe that all gods and goddesses are simply different manifestations of a single god and a single goddess who are together the essence of the natural world. Generally, gods and goddesses are emphasized equally.

Wicca is a mystery religion, meaning that personal faith is influenced by religious experiences that instill knowledge or religious truths in ways that are not fully understood by the individual. The term also refers to secret rites undertaken to bring the individual to a state of bliss. Secret rituals and oath-taking help deepen religious understanding for Wiccans and are an integral part of their tradition.

Practising Wiccans demonstrate religious devotion through meetings with their covens, through group rituals, and through practising magic. For Wiccans, magic is a form of prayer to the gods and goddesses, asking them to grant the seeker the power to carry out an act or achieve a goal. Wiccans believe that the use of magic will increase the chances of success for an action that would be undertaken or has been undertaken with or without divine intervention.

Belief in reincarnation is common among Wiccans. Some believe that time between lives is spent in another realm called Summerland. Since Wiccan traditions are also influenced by other traditions, such as ancient Norse, Celtic, Buddhist and Hindu traditions, each group’s view of the afterlife is influenced by its root tradition.

Now no offence, but if you think thats more saner then the 3 Abrahamic religions...then you must be in Summerland :rolleyes:
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The thing is, it can't be proven more than a sexist, bloodthirsty warlike semitical frenzy. Wiccans don't stone disobedient children, suffer witches to live, and don't burn animal offerings...

I'd better be in Summerland than being in a paradise with 72 virgins or Jayz-us...
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Khan
Feb 12 2007, 07:24 AM
The thing is, it can't be proven more than a sexist, bloodthirsty warlike semitical frenzy. Wiccans don't stone disobedient children, suffer witches to live, and don't burn animal offerings...

I'd better be in Summerland than being in a paradise with 72 virgins or Jayz-us...

Jesus sounded like a good guy, who else would you want at a party then someone who can turn water into wine! And i bet it is damn good wine seeing as it comes from divine intervention.
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sabertooth give a link instead of copying Wikipedia word for word; it just shows you're lazy and can't make up your own arguement.
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Now no offence, but if you think thats more saner then the 3 Abrahamic religions...then you must be in Summerland :rolleyes:


I would say someone's a lot more sane for being Wicca vs someone who literally believes that "God scraped mud from a giant space turtle's back and molded it into a ball which became the Earth". Not perfectley translated from Genesis(KJV), but it's in there.
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Feb 12 2007, 09:02 PM
sabertooth give a link instead of copying Wikipedia word for word; it just shows you're lazy and can't make up your own arguement.



I'd better be in Summerland than being in a paradise with 72 virgins or Jayz-us...

As you can see, its not Wikipedia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wicca :P




So I take it you would rather perform skyclad with your fellow man? :unsure:




lol Killer Bee :lol:
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agafaba
Feb 12 2007, 07:42 AM

Jesus sounded like a good guy, who else would you want at a party then someone who can turn water into wine! And i bet it is damn good wine seeing as it comes from divine intervention.

Hmm, that sounds good... But the cons outweigh the pros sorry.

And sabertooth, when I argued about turks and trojans you copypasted everything about Trojan war which mostly I know, which doesn't have ONE word about turks.

Such copypaste whoring makes you look like an idiot.
Wine in hand, in the other, Quran,
Both halal I do and haram,
In this incomplete world of a sham,
Neither Pagan I am, nor Musselman!


Omar Khayyam

Come, come, whoever you are,
Wanderer, idolater, worshipper of fire,
Come even though you have broken your vows a thousand times,
Come, and come yet again.
Ours is not a caravan of despair


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I used to copy-paste shit.

Then I grew balls. And a brain.

I'm 15, and I've been an atheist since I was 12.

I started hanging out with atheists and Wiccans in chat rooms, and I actually learned more about science. I basically said, "Screw this", and became an atheist over a week or two.

Most people at my school have no idea I'm an atheist. Which is good, because I live in part of the bible belt.

(Notably, I don't go into chatrooms anymore. And thankfully we quit using AO-Hell.)
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Family thinks I'm a devout Muslim. Can't break their heart, can I?

Wiccans are less sexist, and that is good.
Wine in hand, in the other, Quran,
Both halal I do and haram,
In this incomplete world of a sham,
Neither Pagan I am, nor Musselman!


Omar Khayyam

Come, come, whoever you are,
Wanderer, idolater, worshipper of fire,
Come even though you have broken your vows a thousand times,
Come, and come yet again.
Ours is not a caravan of despair


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Feb 14 2007, 03:48 AM
I used to copy-paste shit.

Then I grew balls. And a brain.

I'm 15, and I've been an atheist since I was 12.

I started hanging out with atheists and Wiccans in chat rooms, and I actually learned more about science. I basically said, "Screw this", and became an atheist over a week or two.

Most people at my school have no idea I'm an atheist. Which is good, because I live in part of the bible belt.

(Notably, I don't go into chatrooms anymore. And thankfully we quit using AO-Hell.)

Hmm, that sounds good... But the cons outweigh the pros sorry.

And sabertooth, when I argued about turks and trojans you copypasted everything about Trojan war which mostly I know, which doesn't have ONE word about turks.

Such copypaste whoring makes you look like an idiot.

Family thinks I'm a devout Muslim. Can't break their heart, can I?


Frist of all, about the copy and paste thing, i did copy and paste some parts, like the hard core facts (example: where troy is in turkey) which anyone would do but I formed the bulk of the argument myself.

Khan, ever country has got there ass kicked in a war within some point of there history so theres nothing to worry about there and i dident mean to insult you.

Anyway...this is getting really ridiculas. If you don’t believe in something that cant be proved, that’s ok....that’s why it's called faith, ‘complete confidence against over whelming odds’.

And yes I understand a lot of bad things have happed because of faith, but countless good things have taken place because of it to like a bulk of morality. For example, because of faith, and the perception that you will burn in hell or suffer some form a punishment (most of them anyways) if you live a bad life, scares a lot of people out of doing a lot of bad things that heart desires to.

I was watching a report the other day about atheists being the most racistly viewed group in America...even more then Muslims. I don’t think you should be tormented because you have chosen not to place trust into something that cannot be explained with our science, but I also don't think people who have chosen not to have a faith should go around ridiculing people about how faith is stupid and evil.

And if you feel I'v been ridiculing you because of your choice not to have a faith....
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but I also don't think people who have chosen not to have a faith should go around ridiculing people about how faith is stupid and evil.

They shouldn't but people who have picked a religion shouldn't force their religion on other people either. I will respect everyone's religion as long as they respect my views, I just wish more people were like that.
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Feb 15 2007, 12:02 PM
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but I also don't think people who have chosen not to have a faith should go around ridiculing people about how faith is stupid and evil.

They shouldn't but people who have picked a religion shouldn't force their religion on other people either. I will respect everyone's religion as long as they respect my views, I just wish more people were like that.

Bingo.

I have lots of friends who are Jewish, Christian, Muslim, Baha'i, Hindu, Buddhist, etc. (This kind of stuff comes as a side-effect of studying faiths.) None of them get razzed for it ever. If they bring it up I will courteously disagree with them, but that's as far as it goes.

It's the holier-than-thou types -- and these are mostly inhabiting the Abrahamic space of religion -- who preach, force their views on you and tell you smugly you're going to Hell for all eternity unless you adopt their particular version of close-mindedness who get flamed to perdition.
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Feb 15 2007, 04:02 AM
sabertooth
 
but I also don't think people who have chosen not to have a faith should go around ridiculing people about how faith is stupid and evil.

They shouldn't but people who have picked a religion shouldn't force their religion on other people either. I will respect everyone's religion as long as they respect my views, I just wish more people were like that.

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Feb 16 2007, 07:17 AM
It's the holier-than-thou types -- and these are mostly inhabiting the Abrahamic space of religion -- who preach, force their views on you and tell you smugly you're going to Hell for all eternity unless you adopt their particular version of close-mindedness who get flamed to perdition.

And then they run around crying about being "bashed" after someone tells them to shut the fukk up. Maybe it's not so much bashing as it is people are fed up with "holier than thou" assholes getting involved in their business using the excuse of "I'm trying to save your soul". It's not a goddamned crusade, people should have the right not to be preached at if they choose. I think all of the Abrahamic religions need to look at the bloodshed committed in their name before judging on where someone's soul is going to spend eternity.
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There are two main reasons that people spread Christianity around me (more liberal forms).

One, is that The Bible tells them to and they want to "save" other people.

The second is that they feel so moved by it, they want other people to share that same feeling. For example, if you watch a really good movie or read a really good book you are usually inclined to tell other people about it and recommend it, sometimes feeling hurt if someone declines. I know many Christians that just love Christianity so much that they want other people to share the same feeling they get, I don't mind it for that reason, but sometimes they can go overboard.

I can usually stand those two but other reasons will usually get to me.
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