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| That guy on the forum | Jan 21 2007, 06:57 AM Post #1 |
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is it ok to belive in things you can't prove? if you belive in faith, is there a line you wouldn't cross or do you belive in everything? Discuss. I belive in reasonable faith. If someone I trust tells me something that happened (like my other friend did something they heard a news story) I would not be able to prove thm right but I would still belive in them. But I don't belive in things that I have never heard of before that seam impossible. I do belive there are something things we don't know about in this world, but if some guy told be about one with no proof I would not belive them. |
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| Killer Bee | Jan 21 2007, 07:01 AM Post #2 |
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There is nothing at all wrong with having faith, even religious faith. The problem lies when you cross the line of faith and fanatical. |
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| 严加华 | Jan 21 2007, 08:32 AM Post #3 |
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Faith isn't just "OK" it's absolutely necessary to life! The cornerstone of science, for example, is a single statement of faith: a belief -- one which cannot be proven -- that the world operates according to repeatable rules. Faith becomes a problem when it becomes divorced from all reason. "I believe in God" is alright. "I believe in a God who has these following sets of utterly incompatible attributes -- and I don't care that what I believe simply cannot be true: I have Faith" is not. The first is drawing the line of faith in a different place than I do. The second is abrogation of all rational thought -- giving up all responsibility for doing your own thinking and putting it into the hands of the irrational because it's easier. |
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| Dizzarth Stumpy | Jan 21 2007, 09:09 AM Post #4 |
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STUMPY WAS RIGHT. HIS TOUCHING SOLILOQUY HAS MOVED ME, TRULY A MANIPULATOR OF THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE. I HAVE ALLOWED HIM USAGE OF HIS PREVIOUS ACCOUNT. EHRHRHRHRNGGHH LC is the best and brought back my embarassing sex tapes. | |
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| Killer Bee | Jan 21 2007, 09:20 AM Post #5 |
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....and that was totally uncalled for. |
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| Altanese | Jan 21 2007, 03:08 PM Post #6 |
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Is it okay to have faith? Of course. Is it okay to try and act as if that faith is fact? Absolutly not. Thats what gets me about the religious. |
| Deep unspeakable suffering may well be called a baptism, a regeneration, the initiation into a new state. | |
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| Katastrof | Jan 21 2007, 10:20 PM Post #7 |
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Sorry to say but you don't understand faith. Faith is doing something but having no absolute proof of it. So I.E you can't have faith and then not act it as fact. That would be being a hypocrite running through the streets yelling you believe in something than when the time comes to make a chocie on it you say you don't believe in it because its not fact. New Flash, most of the scientific theories we use are just that theories. We can't explain gravity yet we use it as a fact. Not saying I don't believe in scienc ejust putting an example out. Another thing having faith isn't only about being religous. The biggest act of faith is believeing in your religon conincidently, but you can take other "leaps of faith". Say for instance believeing someone's word, is a big leap of faith, esspicialy when nobody trusts each other in today's world. Having faith shows either A) you have a strong will you're wise or C) you have absolutly no clue and are just following what everybody else is doing aka a fool...
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| Dr. Jim | Jan 27 2007, 09:14 PM Post #8 |
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One has to have faith because there is a whole lot of information out there and very little time to double-check it all. I depend on faith everytime someone tells me what happened to them that day, I depend on faith when I understand how my cells divide, I depend on faith for, well, everything. Even stuff that we can double check, we have to have faith in our sources. Even things we experiance we have faith in the fact it's not a dream, or an illusion of some sort. One has to be logical about it though. We can't just go about believing everything, we have to limit it to things that make sense, can be backed up, fit in with everything else, are believable, et cetra. |
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...Matt was no exception to this. When he stood in the street and noticed his chest started to really hurt again, he made the decision to look down. He screamed like a grown man would scream when that grown man sees a laser burning his chest, and that is like a little girl... -From Super Naked Moose Man | |
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| Apocalypse Next Thursday | Feb 9 2007, 02:26 PM Post #9 |
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To me, faith is what humanity uses to keep from the suicide option listed on the website. Faith is used to bring a positive outlook to our lives, to give us the belief that there is a higher purpose than kill, eat, mate, and die, usually in that order (especially if your female praying mantis is hungry enough). Faith is there, for some people, to justify our existence, and give us hope. One might say we are driven by faith to accomplish both great and horrible things. To me, religion was created on the basis of faith, then distorted into insanity once imperialism came about. To have faith is part of who we are as a person. Intelligence made us self-aware; faith made us human. Unfortunately, that faith is often misclassified, misinterpreted, or just misused (see Jerry Falwell for prime examples). I have faith in the ability of humanity to accomplish extraordinary things through the power of science and logic. I also have faith in a universal balance and the energies that transfer through it. I do not have faith in there being a Hell or any kind of tangible location, nor am I a huge fan of the individual soul theory outside of karmic balance, which even then is only in a carefully applied theorem. Proof belies faith in some areas, and bolsters it in others. For example, faith that we can cure cancer is bolstered once that is proven (which we have, but that's an argument for another section about pharmaceuticals), while faith that we will be swept away like a broom and dustpan by a Judaistic middle easterner spring-nailed to plywood does not require proof, as ACTUAL proof would most likely cause our minds to leak out of our ears like petroleum jelly. Faith and ideas are one in the same. The only difference is how you apply it. An idea can be applied physically. Faith is applied mentally, emotionally and spiritually. As long as you have a good idea, and have faith in that idea, you're all set. Just keep religion in the back alley unless it's tied to it. Sound like fun? By the way, nice to meet all of you! Call me... A.N.T. I assure you, the anagram is intended. |
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| FallenDeku | Feb 10 2007, 12:06 AM Post #10 |
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I have enough faith to believe whatever you have to say until evidence is shown otherwise. |
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| Killer Bee | Feb 10 2007, 03:20 AM Post #11 |
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As long as the faith is based on some sort of moral guidelines. It seems as if religion is becomming the most dangerous self destructive faith in the running. I have no problem with faithfully praying, going to church and praising God. Where my problem starts is when you're killing people in the name of(insert your own diety here). I don't believe that any of these religions are saying "go out and committ mass murder or genocide on other faiths". They're being twisted into saying so, and people are beleiving. And it's not just Muslims, Christians are just as guilty. Now, instead of having "bible thumpers" wanting to censor what every one is exposed to, we have "fundamentalists" wanting to kill or take down everyone who doesn't agree. It's not even religion in these cases, more like brainwashing with an evil agenda. Remember Fred Phelps? Now, everything bad revolves around gays. Instead of saying "god hates queers" he should just say "kill all queers". It's the same hate filled message, just not as appealing to his followers. |
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| Fire on the Mountain | Feb 10 2007, 07:58 AM Post #12 |
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I think it's cool to have some religious belief if you want. As Killer Bee said, there's a point where belief becomes fanaticism. That's where it turns ugly. |
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| Khan | Feb 12 2007, 02:25 PM Post #13 |
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HAVE YOU HEARD OF THIS SWEET WEBSITE CALLED FOUR CHAN DOT ORG?
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How can I forget that man. A true Christian. NOT! :lol: Sarcasm set aside, the Bible actually tells nations who go "perverse" that they will be destroyed by any means necessary, and the God himself will do negative miracles and aid the "heathens". ( I will myself fight against thee, with an open arm or hand or whatever. Wait... Do I have arms??? ) Still, Fred Phelps aids atheism and antichristians greatly. Such hate only galvanizes pressured atheists. |
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Wine in hand, in the other, Quran, Both halal I do and haram, In this incomplete world of a sham, Neither Pagan I am, nor Musselman! Omar Khayyam Come, come, whoever you are, Wanderer, idolater, worshipper of fire, Come even though you have broken your vows a thousand times, Come, and come yet again. Ours is not a caravan of despair Mevlana Jalaladdin Rumi | |
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| Killer Bee | Feb 12 2007, 08:54 PM Post #14 |
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And some wonder why those who call themselves "Christian" are often bashed. Could it be in retaliation of the Fred Phelps types? Christianity needs to find some new spokes people. |
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| Katastrof | Feb 12 2007, 09:08 PM Post #15 |
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One Of The Four Horseman
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You are confusing faith with false hope, good sir. Faith is doing something without any proof to back it up it up exsept maybe a gut feeling while false hope is believing that you can do something because there is a chance it might work. Welcome by the way to EM ANT. |
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you're wise or C) you have absolutly no clue and are just following what everybody else is doing aka a fool...



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