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Social Engineering and Phreaking
Topic Started: Feb 14 2007, 02:48 AM (805 Views)
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Care to talk about the history of both? Fun examples of either?

If I was alive in the 60's-80's I probably would have been a phreaker.
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I'm terribly afraid I know nothing of it. I shall do some research on the subject.

Consequently, is there any information you can share about "phreaking" and exactly what social engineering entails? I am curious, and wish to learn more.
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I was raised through the 80's and I have never heard of "phreaked" or "phreakers". I am also curious of what this means, and in the contex you are using it in.
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I would also like to know what a phreaker is. Do you have a link?
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A phreaker is a 1337 ph0n3 h4x0r.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phreaking

Wiki is a good friend.

Phreaking is phone hacking, as NeoAegis said. It involves using the phone itself, and using the mechanics of how they work to get free phone calls. It involved dialing certain codes on the pad, tricking the phones using frequencies of sound, and social engineering.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pretexting

"Social engineering is a collection of techniques used to manipulate people into performing actions or divulging confidential information."

Wiki says it best. It uses lying, tricking, and deceit to gain access to important information. It plays on the psychology and stupidity of people, who will believe anything if they're afraid enough.

You can use it just for about anything. And in all technicality, it's not exactly illegal if done right. It's just deceitful.
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Wiki says it best. It uses lying, tricking, and deceit to gain access to important information. It plays on the psychology and stupidity of people, who will believe anything if they're afraid enough.


Fraud?

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You can use it just for about anything. And in all technicality, it's not exactly illegal if done right. It's just deceitful.


I wouldn't want to base my defense in court on this notion alone. If you use the phone to deceit someone into giving money or confidential information, it could be considered fraud and that is against the law.

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Wiki says it best. It uses lying, tricking, and deceit to gain access to important information. It plays on the psychology and stupidity of people, who will believe anything if they're afraid enough.


Fraud?

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You can use it just for about anything. And in all technicality, it's not exactly illegal if done right. It's just deceitful.


I wouldn't want to base my defense in court on this notion alone. If you use the phone to deceit someone into giving money or confidential information, it could be considered fraud and that is against the law.

Well, it doesn't technically use lying ever. It's weird. It just plays on peoples gullibility.
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Best piece of social engineering ever -- it's even phone-related! -- was done in the UK sometime in the late 80s or early 90s. Dude ran an ad in the paper that looked something like this:
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Guaranteed system to eliminate all your telephone bills once and for all: local rates, long-distance -- it makes no difference.  Send 5 pounds and a SASE to <insert address> and the method will be mailed to you on the same day.


Dude made a killing selling slips of paper saying "call your telephone company and ask to have your service disconnected"....

This even made it to court and the judge said (paraphrased), "While I think it morally reprehensible, legally this does not entail fraud. Case dismissed."
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Feb 16 2007, 08:04 AM
Best piece of social engineering ever -- it's even phone-related! -- was done in the UK sometime in the late 80s or early 90s. Dude ran an ad in the paper that looked something like this:
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Guaranteed system to eliminate all your telephone bills once and for all: local rates, long-distance -- it makes no difference.&nbsp; Send 5 pounds and a SASE to <insert address> and the method will be mailed to you on the same day.


Dude made a killing selling slips of paper saying "call your telephone company and ask to have your service disconnected"....

This even made it to court and the judge said (paraphrased), "While I think it morally reprehensible, legally this does not entail fraud. Case dismissed."

This has to be a sign that humanity is in serious trouble. Maybe a new apocalyptic scenario should be titled "Death of Humanity by Stupidity". I believe in the old saying "if something sounds too good to be true, it probably is". I guess the another saying, "a sucker is born every minute" fits better.
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Two words:

Pet. Rock.

I rest my case.

The phreaking scenario interests me greatly, as it ties in with the legacy, of all people, Steve Jobs. His younger days inside of his California university allowed him to make a small blue box that would use the dial tone from a cereal box toy to make free phone calls. While not the start of "phreaking", it is definitely one of the better-known examples.

On a side note, Pirates of Silicon Valley is an excellent, gripping movie.

As far as stupidity goes, we are technically getting smarter. The problem lies not in how much we don't know, but how much we choose to ignore. People more and more are subject to "selective memory", meaning they choose to learn only what they decide, ignoring the rest. We are smarter, and getting even more intelligent.

But there is a point where we have to filter information one way or the other, lest we begin to lose what we had, or drive ourselves mad.

Personally, i've abandoned any social skills and stigma for the sake and pursuit of knowledge and science. This is my selective memory.

Make of it, what you will.
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I read in a paper a few days ago about a fraud that involved someone calling a person telling them that they missed jury duty and they are going to be arrested. The person then says they never got a notice and the caller then asks for their name, address, and social security number to verify the mistake. The say it was a mess up, hangs up, and has stolen their identity.
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Feb 16 2007, 05:37 PM
I read in a paper a few days ago about a fraud that involved someone calling a person telling them that they missed jury duty and they are going to be arrested. The person then says they never got a notice and the caller then asks for their name, address, and social security number to verify the mistake. The say it was a mess up, hangs up, and has stolen their identity.

We had a local fraud case where someone was calling numbers randomly out of the phone book asking for donations to the "Ohio State Patrol Fund". Needless to say, the people involved were in deep shit when they got caught.
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Social engineering also generally uses public known information to find out more information. It's not fraud, because you shouldn't ever say you're the person. You should just know the information needed.

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Feb 17 2007, 04:56 PM
Social engineering also generally uses public known information to find out more information. It's not fraud, because you shouldn't ever say you're the person. You should just know the information needed.

There is a fine line between social engineering and fraud. To use public info to find more info is fine, but when you try to use public info to gain personal info then it's fraud and illeagle.
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