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| UK and US worse places in Westen World to grow up; I'm moving to the Neatherlands...... | |
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| 严加华 | Feb 17 2007, 04:25 PM Post #31 |
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Magister Ludicrous
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The US, UK and Canada all suck at taking care of children, bluntly put. They're almost as bad as Germans.... |
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| sabertooth | Feb 17 2007, 06:39 PM Post #32 |
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Planning World Domination
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you shouldent genralize but if your talking about laws,programs,ect... for childern, then canada i would say is a great place to be. |
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| 严加华 | Feb 18 2007, 03:34 AM Post #33 |
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Magister Ludicrous
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All the laws, programs, etc. in the world don't help if the parents are shit. Parents in North America (north of Mexico, anyway) and in England suck. On average. Yes, as with any group, you'll get people on both sides of the bell curve. But the bell curve is firmly stuck in "suck bowling balls through garden hoses" territory. |
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| agafaba | Feb 18 2007, 07:37 AM Post #34 |
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douchebagga
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Personal view i have found so far (in Canada... and a small town) is that 80% of parents are willing to let there kids learn on there own... aka they do shit all unless something gets serious. 10% raise there kids to be jerks/chavs/whatever you want to call them, 4.8% raise there kids to be normal or better, and 5% teach there kids to be like them (aka hicks or just generally stupid, depending where you live). in the end that makes 50% of kids jerks, 24% normal+, and 25% hicks. I left 0.2% for something a little... weirder (not bad just weird) Those stats are just a GENERAL OBSERVATION and are not real statistics (before anyone asks for a link) As well in a town like mine (smaller) take the number of hicks and multiply by 3, then lower their IQ by 20 points. |
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| evilgenius | Feb 18 2007, 10:28 AM Post #35 |
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Voted Most Likely to End the World
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I live in england, and everything said is true, english people suck at parenting, im not sure why, maybe because most parents now seem to be under 18, who don't seem to understand the basic concept of anything but how to be a slut. |
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| mmm | Feb 19 2007, 02:03 PM Post #36 |
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Struggling Scientist
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Dirk is not being honest. I'm from the NL too, and none of what he is saying makes much sense; - Stuff is not cheap, but definitely not the most expensive either. In fact, computer-related materials and food are still VERY cheap here, compared to what they cost in the UK and the USA. What is expensive is housing and energy-cost, but that is logical, since we're densely populated. - Income taxes aren't higher than anywhere else. The more you make, the more you pay is only logical, it is a percentage. This is how it has always been. People need a minimum, when you earn above that, you can share more. So unless you're an asshole, there's nothing against that. - Free speech in the NL is only limited when it comes to religion and the holocaust. This is because the majority has voted these stupid christians for their leaders, pretty much like in the US and the UK. It is definitely not harder here than it is in the UK to say what you want. Big advantage of living in the NL is that when you *do* say something that's not going to be liked, our justice system is not as it is in the US where getting sued can be the killshot, where you have to pay, even if you stop saying the things some company doesn't want you to say. In the NL you will get warned first, you always get a chance, depending on how severe your free-speech crime has been of course. The only problem I see is that 75% of our land will be way below sea-level the coming 30 years. We can only flee to Twente, Drente, Limburg when things start to look bad. Either way, moving to the NL is not a smart thing. The smartest people living here are *already* planning to get out before the dikes and water-works will no longer be able to hold. It will take some years till people realize it's not the place you want to be at when sea-level is rising. Actually, strange as it may seem, Germany is much more nice and tolerant than the NL. It also has quite the future when it comes to survival in the near future. I'd say find your highlands in Germany, get a place there, learn the language (however ugly you think it is) and you will survive global warming. High places in Sweden and Norway are smart too. |
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| 严加华 | Feb 19 2007, 02:11 PM Post #37 |
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Magister Ludicrous
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I don't see how that follows. I live in a country that's far more densely populated than the Netherlands with housing and energy costs far below any place I've ever lived in my life.
Most western countries have sliding scales where you pay a greater PERCENTAGE the more you make. When I was living in Ottawa, for example, my total tax paid was ~50%, but my marginal tax rate (the tax I'd pay on my next dollar) was well over 65% -- with an additional 5% "clawback" tacked on top. (This was one of the reasons I quit the high tech sector, in fact. Why do all that shit work and then have over half my money taken away from me?)
On the books. As with anyplace else there are all sorts of passive-aggressive ways to quell free speech without relying on laws.
Lived there for years. Enjoyed every minute. Will never live there again. It's a great place to visit. It's a great place to live temporarily. I'd kill myself if I had to live there the rest of my life. |
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| Killer Bee | Feb 19 2007, 03:13 PM Post #38 |
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Uh, anytime free speech is limited on any subject means you have limited free speech. It isn't selective.
I can't think of any company that has sued and won a case here for a person speaking out against them. We have comedians all the time ripping the government a new ass, and they're still here, with no lawsuit. |
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| Comrade Jim | Feb 19 2007, 04:08 PM Post #39 |
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The Apocalypse Itself
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Yeah there are always limits on free speech its the extent to how much it is limited. Not being able to deny the Holocaust is not a concern of mine as denying the Holocaust is only done by the terminally stupid but not being able to debate relgion would really piss me off. Your allowed to say anything you want about religion in the UK mostly, you can walk all over christianity its the nutty muslims who riot over cartoons you gotta watch out for. Luckily the Religious Hatred Bill failed, mainly thanks to the best of British comedy. |
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| mmm | Feb 19 2007, 04:11 PM Post #40 |
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Where is "here" ? I have examples for the entire world. Of cases against free speech. Free speech is never absolute, not even in the US. It is always limited to morals and standards. You can say/write/show all you want (i'm doing it online all the time, without hiding my identity even) here in the NL, but it takes just one religious freak to try and shut you down. It is surely not more limited here than it is in the US or UK, so Dirk is not being honest there. The only advantage, like I wrote, is that you will be able to say it anyway, because after that you get the chance to stop saying it, but then the 'damage' has already been done. So if anything you enjoy more free speech here than in the US or UK. Believe me, I've experienced both first hand. I'm 40 years old. @严加华: The NL is the most densely populated country in the entire EU. We're at 440 p/km2. If you want to have a home here, the cost of getting that done (by replacing nature or things that the land would otherwise be used for) is logically higher than in less populated areas. You're buying out earth in a way. Of course that's not cheap. If you don't enforce anything against that, you will pay a high price in the end anyway. Like I wrote, you're being protected against the water here, that's not a cheap endeavour, you enjoy a mild climate (for now anyway) without much extremes, so if you would sell space here cheap, the whole world would want to live here. Duh. You just can't do that without getting into trouble. To compare the surface of .NL to your country does not apply. You might be in a more densely populated area, but your total country-owned space is much more versatile and has a wide range of sources and areas to live off of. We don't have that here, since the surface reaches no further than the borders. For many things we want and need we depend on foreign supplies. Bigger countries have less of that. We have dependencies you don't have. Pricing is also often higher because of that. |
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| Killer Bee | Feb 19 2007, 04:25 PM Post #41 |
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"Here" is the United States. You can say pretty much anything you want in the U.S. too, as long as you're not promoting violence or personal threats. I would like to see your examples and cases for the world against free speech. There is no where where free speech is 100%, nowhere. "Free" speech means you can say anything towards anyone and can't suffer any consequences, I can't think of one nation in the world that allows this. You're example doesn't ,in any way, reflect that you enjoy any more free speech than I do. |
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| DirkNL | Feb 19 2007, 04:58 PM Post #42 |
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Thousand pleuros for an old computer isn't my definition of cheap.
It's not only the more money you make. It's also he more overtime you make. My father has to work around 80 hours a month extra so we don't live in poverty. We (as in my family) have the highest income tax possible in the Netherlands here (60%) and our net income is PL€ 2200,- a month.
Let's see, Wilder$ has been saying some really bad shit about Islam (he said that if Muslims here don't tear out half the Koran Pages they'll get deported) and he can actually keep his job. I say that incomes need to be all the same and I nearly got arrested for saying that.
Some of the smaller cities in Zuid-Holland (such as here in Katwijk) also lie a foot or 20 above sea level. -Dirk |
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| mmm | Feb 19 2007, 07:06 PM Post #43 |
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Germany is the ONLY country where Scientology has no say in their cases against innocent citizen and free speech. See, for example this news story (and the links in it). |
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| Killer Bee | Feb 19 2007, 07:25 PM Post #44 |
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Scientology isn't why this man was convicted. He was convicted for interfearing with a church, a California hate crime. He is now being held for running across the border to Canada, where he obviously continued his campaign until he got deported back here. What I find amusing about this article is how he "feared for his life in prison", due to the Scientologists. Fear for his life? Does he not realise that idiots like Tom Cruise are Scientologists, it's not like he's dealing with the Gotti's here. Scientologists are idiots, but it's their right to be stupid. |
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| Katastrof | Feb 19 2007, 08:48 PM Post #45 |
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Scientologists may be idoits but they are determined idiots. |
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