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| Apocalypse Next Thursday | Feb 16 2007, 05:10 PM Post #1 |
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Perhaps I merely heroify (is that even a word? Better call Don King) the movie a bit, but with the current atmosphere, I HAD to bring it up. Do you find it likely that one day, the American people will simply stand up and go "That's enough, put the lotion down", and decide to enact their OWN martial law on the government, taking us into a second Revolutionary War? Or do you believe the majority are far too brainwashed and too likely to listen to their law enforcement? On that note, would ANY kind of stimulus subvert the people to action? Loss of freedoms? Tracking of all our movements? The dissolution of Congress? What would it take? On a final note, and an ugly thought: what if the Christian faith, suddenly turns on the current or future administration, citing the Anti-Christ? Would THEY single-handedly, in an effort to fulfill ancient prophecy, revolt to bring peace once again? I know this has probably been posted beforehand, but I wanted a fresh outlook on it. What would it take to get the American people so impotently raging that they finally start shoving gunpowder down their militia's throat? How much fresh piss will be laced into their morning coffee before they get out the machete? I leave the floor open to discussion. Again, I apologize if this has come up before. |
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| DirkNL | Feb 16 2007, 05:15 PM Post #2 |
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Too brainwashed. Why else aren't there any actual leftist parties making it to the elections? -Dirk |
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| Mister Sinister | Feb 16 2007, 05:22 PM Post #3 |
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Delusional Granduerist
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A mass starvation, is the only thing that could get the US ctizens to defend their freedoms against the tyrrany we are facing. Should current trends in food continue, soon everything will have a salmonella (or the like) scare. When food products get to be more and more dangerous and more and more people start dying, the public will be less content to simply cattle their fat asses over to the market just to be poisoned by whatever is killing people that week. Should the people ever rise up against the US government, it will be time for the US government to pull back the illusionary curtain of freedoms and unleash the police state in full force. So regardless of a revolution, the police state will emerge. |
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| Apocalypse Next Thursday | Feb 16 2007, 05:28 PM Post #4 |
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Hmm, interesting. When this police state emerges, and it begins enacting martial law, what manner of time do you think it will be before the people begin to form their own militias? Would the people have the will, nay, the REASON to fight, or would they simply allow it to take place? Fear is a powerful tool. Something would have to scare a lot of people to get them to act. The question is, once the police state has emerged, how long will it be until it all begins to dissolve in a civil war? My arguments are going in circles today, for some reason. Also, what role do you believe religion will play on the geopolitical stage, when we finally snap and start gunning down our congressmen? |
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| DirkNL | Feb 16 2007, 05:29 PM Post #5 |
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Will emerge? It already did. -Dirk |
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| Mister Sinister | Feb 16 2007, 05:40 PM Post #6 |
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Delusional Granduerist
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It's hard to tell...It will be incredibly difficult to keep your weapons from FEMA. Upon recieving "State of Emergency" status from the government (FEMA) which the critera for said state includes such vague criteria as "heightened tensions in an area", they have the right to enact several executive orders (I've posted in another thread, the NAU thread I think) and cannot be stopped by anyone but themselves. Even the President doesn't have the power to flip their switch. The Federal Emergency Management Agency has broad powers in every aspect of the nation. Should it so wish it can completely wipe out the Constitution, yet this would be completely unlawful as it was not created under Constitutional law by the Congress. FEMA is exactly the kind of parasitic bacterium that the founding fathers warned Americans to stay vigilant against. Recently all executive orders were enacted in New Orleans...The National Guard raided decent tax paying citizens homes and confiscated weapons...It's one of the first things they did when they got there..leaving decent people without protection, and the criminal element with everything they needed to rule the streets. FEMA, which has endlessly drilled for such situations, has been complicit in hindering outside efforts to help in the wake of the disaster. After the authorities in Baton Rouge had prepared a field hospital for victims of the storm, FEMA sent its first batch of supplies, all of which were designed for use against chemical attack, including drugs such as Cipro, which is designed for use against anthrax. The London Guardian reported, "We called them up and asked them: 'Why did you send that, and they said that's what it says in the book'," said a Baton Rouge official. Even American Red Cross officials have said that FEMA authorities would not allow them to deliver aid. "The Homeland Security Department has requested and continues to request that the American Red Cross not come back into New Orleans," said Renita Hosler, spokeswoman for the Red Cross. Former Assistant Secretary of the Treasury, Paul Craig Roberts has agreed that FEMA has deliberately withheld aid, and cut emergency communication lines, and automatically made the crisis look worse in order to empower the image of a police state emerging to "save the day". He even insinuated that the shoot to kill policy was part of the overall operation in order get an awful precedence set to aid the military industrial complex takeover of America. "The power of the Federal Government is now greater than at any time, it'll never go back and the Posse Comitatus Act has been eroding ever since it was passed in 1878..." Roberts asserted. So, you see, a revolution is impossible. |
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| Apocalypse Next Thursday | Feb 16 2007, 06:05 PM Post #7 |
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A most excellent argument. The trick lies not in WHAT the government does to allow FEMA to take over, but rather, their response time. I am finding it difficult to believe that, once word gets out that all hell is breaking loose, people in such outland states (Montana, Iowa, among others) would be quick to hide, their paranoia bordering on extreme, and creating bunkers for themselves, their food, and their weapons. And with such large, unexplored masses of land in those states, it would make finding the outlaws next to impossible. We can't find Bin Laden, and Afghanistan is a lot more populated than Montana. Yankees inside of mountain ridges stand a far better chance. Then there's the scare factor. There would be massive amounts of murder, or in their words, "Terrorist Neutralization", from the people who won't give up their guns no matter WHO tells them to. This will incite even more unrest, make them even more uneasy, and then, eventually, they would make a mistake. V's scenario said it best: the murder of a child in the wake of paranoia will drive men to utter chaos. If they do not have guns, they will TAKE them from the officers. If they are overpowered, they will use the power of numbers. A zombie invasion has NOTHING on 80,000 angry rednecks trouncing on your clean Banana Republic suit. A revolution may be impossible...but only through apathy. Survival instincts DICTATE such things. Nonetheless, an interesting thought, don't you agree? |
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| Killer Bee | Feb 16 2007, 06:13 PM Post #8 |
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Good ones ANT, but I think there is one already stated that's even bigger. Mr. Sinister said loss of food. This is a huge one, but I think it would evolve around sky rocketing food prices and people literally starving to death because they can't afford to eat. To take away such a huge necessity of basic survival would convert us back to animals. We would either have to kill or starve. We all saw on a smaller scale in New Orleans right after Katrina what happens when food is available, but it's made off limits by some organization who says it's in power. Looting, rioting, killing ect, ect just to name off some of the effects. This would escelade into a police state here in the U.S., quicker than we're losing our rights currently.
Good question, but I've got another one that tags along for you to ponder. What if the Christian faith succeeded in removing the government? What would this mean for the lives of the average citizen. Would the new Christian regime impose and enforce the law of the Bible? Would this new power be similar to the Church of England from Colonial America days? If so, this would definatley cause a police state because the revolt that follows would be one of the bloodiest the world would ever see. |
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| Mister Sinister | Feb 16 2007, 06:58 PM Post #9 |
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Great points. Unfortunately, hiding Americans who cannot be found by the Government, cannot be found by fellow hiding Americans (Remeber Eric Rudolph was eating out of Dumpsters before he got caught). If we cannot contact one another safely, there will be no revolution in the classic sense, as we cannot organize. Folks hoarding weapons may take a stand when the National Guard comes to get them, but that is where it stops. Individuals or small groups with weapons will quickly be overtaken by trained soldiers. The Chaotic environment will only serve to benefit an already massively organized and fiercely equipped Government force, armed with a counter plot to every possible scenario involving an uprising. The only hope at that point is the Lone Wolf. Individuals taking it upon themselves to invade Government territory. Large areas isolated by FEMA rule would probably be a good place to start. But, with more attacks, come more "State of Emergency" areas, ultimately working in the Police state's favor, as it will give them more reason to be in more places. As for the "Terrorist Neutrilizations", I see this as the new ethnic cleansing, Blacks, Arabs, Persians, Asians, Latinos, muslims of any kind... all would be primary targets in this new Police State from Hell. I'd like to think we would take the weapons away from those in charge, but I can forsee the Government using that all powerful and conscience-less weapon the H bomb, to quell any isolated uprisings, regardless of troop level in said area. Usefull Idiots are only useful for a short period. They will bribe you and keep you comfortable by letting you have food and a cot to sleep on, but if you mouth off these things will be taken and you will starve to death in front of everyone, as a warning to those who dissent. 80,000 rednecks cannot be 80,000 rednecks strong if they cannot find each other or can't/won't communicate for fear of capture, isolation, or death. One thing you can bet on is that Food supply will be their main weapon of control. |
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