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What is your limit?
I don't download 1 (2.9%)
I only download free software 3 (8.6%)
A couple songs are ok 3 (8.6%)
Why pay for most music when its "free"? 7 (20%)
Software is too expensive to buy 2 (5.7%)
Good luck finding something legal on my computer 6 (17.1%)
Cant say in public... they could be watching 13 (37.1%)
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Downloading; Is it ok?
Topic Started: Feb 23 2007, 09:18 AM (2,020 Views)
agafaba
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What is everyones opinion on downloading content you normally have to pay for. It has become common place with limewire the most obvious one. Most people are ok when it comes to downloading a song or 2 because of the relative cost. What about more expensive things, Windows at $100+ , Dreamweaver at $399, or Auto Desk Maya Complete at $1999.00. What is your limit?
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My limit? Unlimited. I have a cracked version of FL Studio XL ($599.-) on my computer and a GB of songs worth about PL€300.-. Why do I download: Can't buy it, too expensive, even though i need it. (no music is simply boring, and I have fruityloops because of the fact I need it to make music.) And if it's really worth paying for, you could always download it legally afterwards.

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I like your banner Dirk.

My limits. None. The music industry generates millions per year. So why should anyone care about stealing a few songs from Limewire?
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Feb 23 2007, 11:39 AM
I like your banner Dirk.

My limits. None. The music industry generates millions per year. So why should anyone care about stealing a few songs from Limewire?

I agree. Not to mention the fact that the artists as well could do with less luxury. Oh, and they get most of their money from events, you gotta be extremely commercial (something like 50 Cent) if you're ever going to make profit from selling CD's.

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I've seen interviews where some artists actually support illegal downloading of their music. It makes their popularity increase if they're decent and then they make their money and concerts.
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Exiled_Blood
Feb 23 2007, 02:02 PM
I've seen interviews where some artists actually support illegal downloading of their music. It makes their popularity increase if they're decent and then they make their money and concerts.

Weird Al for example, he actually made a song in which he dissed anti-download artists (it's called 'Don't Download This Song', and you could down it for free, dunno where).

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Feb 23 2007, 01:04 PM
Exiled_Blood
Feb 23 2007, 02:02 PM
I've seen interviews where some artists actually support  illegal downloading of their music. It makes their popularity increase if they're decent and then they make their money and concerts.

Weird Al for example, he actually made a song in which he dissed anti-download artists (it's called 'Don't Download This Song', and you could down it for free, dunno where).

-Dirk

Everyone here remember the Metallica Napster fiasco? First off, MeSellOutica needs to learn how to produce quality music again. Secondly, with the shit their producing they should consider it an honor that anyone would want to download their emo bullshit even if it's free.
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I don't infringe (it isn't theft no matter how much the software makers want you to think otherwise!) on software. I use free/open-source software instead.

I do download movies and music. Movies I download for two reasons:

  • I can't get legal movies in China at all. Since I'm going to be getting infringing movies anyway, I might as well cut out the middleman and get them for free.
  • Were I not in China I'd still be downloading movies. This is because most movies suck and I don't want to pay for them until after I'd seen that they didn't. Once I watched them and decided they were worth it, I would buy the DVD legally. (I don't go to theatres at all anymore unless dragged there. The odds of getting a movie worth the price of an entry ticket are just too low for my tastes.)

Music I download for two reasons as well. The first is the same as the first one for movies. But I would download music were I in Canada too -- and this is specifically because of what the music industry did.

There was a phase, you see, where the industry put out a shitload of "copy protected" CDs. They were "protected" by being, basically, non-conformant to the ... I think it's the orange book? ... standard. Dumb, cheap CD players that slavishly did whatever the CD told them to do, mindlessly cutting off errors like indexes that were too high, worked fine with these. But I didn't have such a CD player. I had a very expensive, very smart one. One that read the invalid track data and puked, telling me that the CD was corrupt (which it was -- only deliberately so).

After buying my fifth one of those, I started on a crusade against the company that made them. (It was EMI, if memory serves -- this was a long time ago.) I phoned and phoned, wrote letter after letter until I finally got one of their mid-ranking PR flaks. Her response was basically "we're sorry our measures caused you inconvenience, but we're not going to do anything about it." They weren't even going to refund my money for the CDs despite the CDs not conforming to the standard the label claimed they conformed to.

After that, I decided that the music industry had put itself out of the running for legal protections of any kind. I downloaded all my music after that, never looked back. And I won't until the RIAA grabs a clue and tries to deal with downloaders in a sane way. Because me? They can't fucking touch me and will never be able to. Even after I go to Canada my downloading will be done in China. Blade servers are a shitload of fun....
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There was a phase, you see, where the industry put out a shitload of "copy protected" CDs.  They were "protected" by being, basically, non-conformant to the ... I think it's the orange book? ... standard.  Dumb, cheap CD players that slavishly did whatever the CD told them to do, mindlessly cutting off errors like indexes that were too high, worked fine with these.  But I didn't have such a CD player.  I had a very expensive, very smart one.  One that read the invalid track data and puked, telling me that the CD was corrupt (which it was -- only deliberately so).


I had the same thing happen to me, and it pretty much pissed me off. Like you, I also have an expensive, smart CD player. So, like you, I said Smurf! it and began my quest of permenantly ripping songs from Limewire. Like Dirk said, most of their money comes from concerts and promotions anyways. I can't stomach listening to commercial music....
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There was a phase, you see, where the industry put out a shitload of "copy protected" CDs.  They were "protected" by being, basically, non-conformant to the ... I think it's the orange book? ... standard.  Dumb, cheap CD players that slavishly did whatever the CD told them to do, mindlessly cutting off errors like indexes that were too high, worked fine with these.  But I didn't have such a CD player.  I had a very expensive, very smart one.  One that read the invalid track data and puked, telling me that the CD was corrupt (which it was -- only deliberately so).


I had the same thing happen to me, and it pretty much pissed me off. Like you, I also have an expensive, smart CD player. So, like you, I said Smurf! it and began my quest of permenantly ripping songs from Limewire. Like Dirk said, most of their money comes from concerts and promotions anyways. I can't stomach listening to commercial music....

I always download my music. And commercial music equals an instant headache to me.

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I don't see why anyone would pay up to $20 for an album or something that they could download in minutes. Same with most software, movies, just anything. It's not as if they make much money in cd sales. Does anyone really care if they lose a few thousand when they already have thousands of dollars more than most people already have?
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I refuse to pay for anything someone can offer to share with me for free.

I do purchase movies that I really enjoy, or TV show DVD's that I like alot. I mostly pick these up used from Amazon or my Local Used book store. But, I haven't bought an LP in almost 4 years, yet my music/mp3 collection is topping out around 40,000 with only less than one percent paid for...same thing goes for Adobe CS (although the new way to ensure your not cheating is you have to contact the comapny before you can have full access to the program, but CS one is just fine. I'll be damned if I'm gonna pay 500 to 700 or even more for software when people on the Interlink are content with me using theirs.
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...same thing goes for Adobe CS (although the new way to ensure your not cheating is you have to contact the comapny before you can have full access to the program, but CS one is just fine.  I'll be damned if I'm gonna pay 500 to 700 or even


I did the same for Autocad 2000. Why should I go out and pay $1000 for the software and turn around and shell out another $100 for a users license so I can use it? No way, I did the honorable thing and pirated it of an old instructer I had in college, with the activation and user codes all included. I think Autodesk can afford to lose me for a paying customer.
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They could be watching. >_>

<_< I don't use Limewire, but I find my ways.
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Limewire. In fact, i was unsatisfied with limewire basic, so i used Limwire's file downloading feature and downloaded Limewire Pro. Then the space time continuum folded up out of sheer irony.
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