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Downloading; Is it ok?
Topic Started: Feb 23 2007, 09:18 AM (2,024 Views)
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The crackdown will just drive further decentralised technology. Like GNUnet. That's the funny part of this whole thing. All the RIAA/MPAA/whatever crackdowns in the world will not stuff the worms back into the can.
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Whenever they release some new block within 6 months people can get around it (and i mean through programs that are download able)

The stronger they become, the harder we push. Only way they will stop this is drastic measures... it would have to be unconstitutional.
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Feb 27 2007, 08:55 AM
The crackdown will just drive further decentralised technology. Like GNUnet. That's the funny part of this whole thing. All the RIAA/MPAA/whatever crackdowns in the world will not stuff the worms back into the can.

You're absolutley right, it'll just make people create and design better can openers. I remember when burning CD's was just a distant idea. Now, if your PC doesn't have a burner, it's almost obsolete.
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Feb 27 2007, 08:03 PM
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Feb 27 2007, 08:55 AM
The crackdown will just drive further decentralised technology.  Like GNUnet.  That's the funny part of this whole thing.  All the RIAA/MPAA/whatever crackdowns in the world will not stuff the worms back into the can.

You're absolutley right, it'll just make people create and design better can openers. I remember when burning CD's was just a distant idea. Now, if your PC doesn't have a burner, it's obsolete.

Fixed.

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What is fixed?
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Bee's post.

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Feb 27 2007, 07:05 PM
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Feb 27 2007, 08:03 PM
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Feb 27 2007, 08:55 AM
The crackdown will just drive further decentralised technology.  Like GNUnet.  That's the funny part of this whole thing.  All the RIAA/MPAA/whatever crackdowns in the world will not stuff the worms back into the can.

You're absolutley right, it'll just make people create and design better can openers. I remember when burning CD's was just a distant idea. Now, if your PC doesn't have a DVD burner, it's obsolete.

Fixed.

-Dirk

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shit, i guess my computer's obsolete...
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Feb 28 2007, 08:10 PM
shit, i guess my computer's obsolete...

Don't worry, after looking at what most people have now my computer is obsolete and i have a dvd burner. Soon Blue-ray and or HD-DVD will be the basics
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Blu-Ray and HD-DVD are dead technologies walking. Holographic is where it will be in short order with 1TB platters.
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Psh, why not download.

Its not like Im in trouble of getting caught anyway. And I have to pay for other things, I cant spend $20 on a CD that may or may not be good. I only buy CDs of bands that I support fully and who I know make good music. Free or $20, choice wasnt too hard.
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Feb 23 2007, 10:39 AM
My limits. None. The music industry generates millions per year. So why should anyone care about stealing a few songs from Limewire?

While I've downloaded a few songs myself (and am beginning to suspect that the version of MX Fireworks I have isn't entirely legal), there's problems with the whole idea of downloading things for free.
First, you said it yourself. Downloading such music and programs is stealing, and in a society so hung up on possessions, it's become a major crime. In the same way, by downloading that music, you have stolen property from the producers and creators of that song. And while it may seem insignificant by comparison with the hundreds of thousands of people buying the songs legally, what if everyone did it? The music industry would crumble.
Secondly, its immoral. I hate to use an old cliche, but how would you like it if you spend days writing, perfecting and releasing a song, only to have it stolen?
Thirdly, downloading a program people have worked hard on is even worse. Programs such as Flash, Acrobat and Fireworks are expensive for a reason. They take a lot of time to code. A group of people may spend years working on a great program, only to have someone steal it and release before they were planning to, stopping their pay, and the awesomeness of knowing you did something big. An overly dramatic example maybe, but I know people who work on code for Macromedia, and nothing pisses them off more than piracy.
To hell with that.
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The problem is that artists don't get a fair share of the profits anyways, the label does. It is like saying stealing a product from a factory is immoral because of all the time the minimum wage paid workers put into it.

I personally believe that artists should make music for the love of it instead of making money. Now, I do believe that artists should make a decent living off it, but if they get too hung up on it there is something wrong.
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Mar 25 2007, 04:05 AM
I personally believe that artists should make music for the love of it instead of making money. Now, I do believe that artists should make a decent living off it, but if they get too hung up on it there is something wrong.

Yes, if artists made music for the love of it and not just for the money, the world would be a happier place. But, it's basic human nature to want more than others, and also to want things for free.
To hell with that.
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Mar 25 2007, 11:58 AM
First, you said it yourself. Downloading such music and programs is stealing ...


This is factually incorrect and spread by RIAA/MPAA/et al FUD. Downloading music, movies and programs is copyright infringement not theft. The two are distinct notions with distinctly different sets of law surrounding them and two entirely different sets of legal thought behind them. Don't let the advocates of so-called "intellectual property" confuse the issue any more than they already have. Use the proper term: "infringement".

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Secondly, its immoral. I hate to use an old cliche, but how would you like it if you spend days writing, perfecting and releasing a song, only to have it stolen?


The American arts community was built on such. Ask the Dickens estate how much Charles Dickens got from the United States for his work.

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Thirdly, downloading a program people have worked hard on is even worse. Programs such as Flash, Acrobat and Fireworks are expensive for a reason. They take a lot of time to code. A group of people may spend years working on a great program, only to have someone steal it and release before they were planning to, stopping their pay, and the awesomeness of knowing you did something big.

As a former-and-now-returning software developer, I can tell you this is bullshit straight up. It's expensive not because it cost that much to make nor because it's worth that much in productivity. It's that expensive because people are stupid enough to pay that much for it.

Take Windows (please!). Windows XP comes in God-alone-knows how many flavours. It's all exactly the same fucking code. Some of that code, however, is priced at $99. Some of it is priced at over $1000. Same code, but different prices? There's no extra work put into that $1000 version. The pricing is purest fantasy.

In the realm of putting my money where my mouth is, my upcoming software business is one where the software is given away for nothing. I expect nonetheless to make a decent living from it. That's a pricing of zero.
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