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| Debaser | Mar 25 2007, 06:17 AM Post #46 |
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Planning World Domination
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Thank you for clearing that part up for me. I apologize for using the wrong terminology. However, Windows XP for $1000? The highest price I found for XP was around $300 for Professional. |
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| 严加华 | Mar 25 2007, 10:18 AM Post #47 |
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Magister Ludicrous
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You're not looking into the Enterprise-level offerings. Windows XP Pro? Is for power users. I'm talking server-oriented stuff. Unfortunately I can't find any current pricing on that product -- it's either Windows 2003 or Vista stuff nowadays. I did find the Windows 2003 Enterprise Edition, however, for $999.97. That's close enough to $1000 for my tastes. Windows XP's server editions were in the same ballpark when they were current. And the price goes up when you have larger numbers of CPUs, etc. Same code, though. *EXACTLY* the same code. They're not even compiled with different switches. It's all turned on and off feature-by-feature in the registry. |
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| Faust | Mar 25 2007, 10:41 AM Post #48 |
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Crazy Doctor's Apprentice
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Copyright Infringement is not theft but it still is a crime. Should it remain a crime - no... And it will not remain so for long.
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| 严加华 | Mar 25 2007, 12:15 PM Post #49 |
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Magister Ludicrous
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No it is not. Or, rather, it is usually not a crime. Usually it falls under tort law. Criminal infringement implies distribution for large-scale profit. There are very, very, very, very few successful prosecutions of criminal infringement. The overwhelming majority of infringement cases are handled under tort law. Please stop spreading the shit that the RIAA/MPAA/et al want you to spread. They love it when people cloud issues on their behalf. The US DOJ weighs in. Here they talk the hypotheticals of any exchange for profit being criminal, but they don't talk the tons and tons of case law which pretty much make criminal prosecutions extremely difficult. Here's the actual law focusing on the relevant part. |
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| agafaba | Mar 26 2007, 06:03 AM Post #50 |
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douchebagga
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I dont find anything wrong with me downloading Flash, or acrobat, or office even for one simple reason. I dont have the spare money to buy these products so i either get it for free or not at all, i am not making them lose any money at all. If i could not get it then i would download a crappy but free program that did the same thing. On the other side downloading music did encourage me to buy, after hearing some music downloaded i went out and bought the cd, or if i enjoy a game but want to play it online i need to buy a new one for a fresh cd-key. |
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| Killer Bee | Mar 26 2007, 03:33 PM Post #51 |
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Why go out and spend 15 to 20 dollars on a new CD when there's only one song you may like? I don't feel the least bit sorry for the producers and creators of the song I'm downloading. Do you think CD sales is where they make their money? Actually tours and promotions is where the true cash is made, not in album sales. Most of the time, the album sales go back to the record company. And if anyone is paying to download music, it's their own fault, not mine.
Immoral? Morals only can be judged on the perspective of the individual. What you find moral or immoral, I might say bullshit to. You need a better arguement than morals.
And you're saying? It's all about what you're willing to pay. I don't have thousands of dollars to spend on a program, so what's the next best thing? You guessed it, piracy.
So, is buying a program for a large sum of money and then having to turn around and spend an even larger amount to buy more user liscense for multiple users any less "immoral"?
...and my heart bleeds for them. |
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| Rhas BloodBear | Mar 26 2007, 05:39 PM Post #52 |
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I FUCKING SUCK AT EVERYTHING GOD DAMN
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I perfer "borrowing". |
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| DirkNL | Mar 26 2007, 05:56 PM Post #53 |
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Horrific poster
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I prefer 'taking'. Anyways, there's nothing wrong about downloading songs. All the profit from album sales goes straight to the record label (which earns BIG money), the only income an artist has are concerts and some other stuff (e.g. acting or singing/rapping in a commercial). -Dirk |
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| koala | Mar 27 2007, 04:05 AM Post #54 |
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THE GREATEST POSTER OF ALL
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:lol: :lol: :lol: Sooo true! |
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| Rhas BloodBear | Mar 27 2007, 04:11 AM Post #55 |
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I FUCKING SUCK AT EVERYTHING GOD DAMN
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That is DAMN True, Bee. Though, It'd make sense, though, because they are probably making suck little money, they'd have to sue anybody they can. |
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| Khan | Mar 27 2007, 05:16 AM Post #56 |
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HAVE YOU HEARD OF THIS SWEET WEBSITE CALLED FOUR CHAN DOT ORG?
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Depends. IF I like the program and game, and the artist / devs / makers / whatever are decent people by my standards, I buy it. In Extremo - Spielmannsfluch, I loved it, I bought it. Orphaned Land - Mabool , I loved it, I bought it. Blind Guardian - Nightfall in Middle Earth I loved it, I bought it. Dungeon Keeper 1 and 2, both original. Evolution, I love this game. :lol: Newly made Turkish games like Pusu, Kabus 22 , Koridor, all original. I'm planning on getting a credit card, so that I'll buy Guild Wars and a registry cleaner. I encourage pirating shitty bands and games and sellout bands to beat some sense in their head. I'll never buy Ufo Aftershock or Ufo Afterlight. they are an insult to XCOM. I'll never buy ANY Metallica or In Flames songs, but I listen to them anyway. |
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Wine in hand, in the other, Quran, Both halal I do and haram, In this incomplete world of a sham, Neither Pagan I am, nor Musselman! Omar Khayyam Come, come, whoever you are, Wanderer, idolater, worshipper of fire, Come even though you have broken your vows a thousand times, Come, and come yet again. Ours is not a caravan of despair Mevlana Jalaladdin Rumi | |
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| Exiled_Blood | Mar 27 2007, 12:41 PM Post #57 |
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Voted Most Likely to End the World
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I never go to a concert without downloading and listening to a few of the songs first to make my decision. That's where they get my money, I'm not paying for a cd. |
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| Taslan | Apr 7 2007, 11:55 AM Post #58 |
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That happened to me with Kaaza. In any case, I don't use limewire anymore. To unreliable. Well, only for music. Now I just use Pirate Bay. Information is supposed to be free, there shouldn't be a cost for information. Only true Demons would put a price tag on something like a MP3 player. |
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"Who was the most beautiful Seraph in Heaven?" And I reply, "Seraph Michael?" "No." And I reply, "Seraph Samael?" "No." And I reply in finality; "Then surely, Seraph Seraphiel." "No. The most beautiful Angel in Heaven was, Seraph Lucifer And as He fell, His feathers departed Thusly, were the Souls of man and woman Tis the reason why He wishes so desperately for His Lost Feathers... His Wings... To fly Back Home." -God to Taslan | |
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| Damien_Hell | Apr 10 2007, 02:38 AM Post #59 |
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Bah I live in Canada last time I checked DLing music was still a grey area, and in my opinion theft is wrong but someone said if your dumb enough to let it happen you deserve it or something like that. I found a 1Gig ipod nano on the ground at a bus stop, know what I did? Picked it up and walked home. Some idiot put a quarter into a vending machine someone stuck tinfoil in so the quarter was stuck and he couldn't get it out, I walked up told him the vending machine was broke waited till he tied his shoe and took the quarter (not the worse crime but....) Ive been Dling music, movies a game here and there and Flash 8 professional demo and used a serial code I found by typing in Flash 8 professional serial key into a Google search :ph43r: :ph43r: . Now if Macromedia or adobe or whoever cared so much about the safety of there $800 programs they'd actually do something about these serial keys floating around. In closing if your break into a guys house when he's visiting his dying grandma in the hospital thats wrong but if he takes his life savings out of his house and go's in to grab his coffee leaving the money on his porch....more power to the thief. |
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| 严加华 | Apr 10 2007, 04:33 AM Post #60 |
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Magister Ludicrous
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Once again with feeling: downloading music is not theft!!!. Downloading music is copyright infringement which is a completely different area of law and has absolutely nothing to do with property law. The only people who want you to believe otherwise are the people who benefit from you conflating infringement and theft -- i.e. the RIAA, the MPAA and other scumsucking fuckers like that. |
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