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should we aplogise and compensate them?; a long ongoing argument, slavery
Topic Started: Mar 13 2007, 12:14 PM (1,591 Views)
Faust
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None of us was alive when slavery was still the norm, none of us has enslaved another nor have we supported those who have done it. Not one among those who demand apologies and compensation have been in their life slaves. Why should we then offer apologies and compensation ? What transgression have we commited ? Answer this - should the innocent suffer for the sins of others ?





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piercehawkeye45
Mar 14 2007, 04:38 AM
Duncan
Mar 13 2007, 11:31 PM
I am completly pro-compensation.  No less than $1000 for every day they spent as slaves.  All surviving former slaves, please form an orderly line.

Haha, I thought you just made a very very racist joke.

I thought you said:
I am completely pro-compensation. No less than $1000 for every day they spent as slaves. All descendants of slaves, please form an orderly line.

The Spartans did that to their slaves. Just that the people that got in line never got out of line.....they died.

HAHA! OWNED!
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piercehawkeye45
Mar 14 2007, 04:38 AM
I thought you said:
I am completely pro-compensation. No less than $1000 for every day they spent as slaves. All descendants of slaves, please form an orderly line.

The Spartans did that to their slaves. Just that the people that got in line never got out of line.....they died.

So what comes around goes around eh?

I was uneasy about Ottoman treatment of Greek population. Now, after I read about helots, I can only say that this is natural. Hah. Never thought the Spartans' descendants would be janissaries and slave boys to be screwed by Janissary Aghas! Who knows, some Ottomans might be also some far,far descendants of helots.

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In this incomplete world of a sham,
Neither Pagan I am, nor Musselman!


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Khan
Mar 16 2007, 05:41 PM
piercehawkeye45
Mar 14 2007, 04:38 AM
I thought you said:
I am completely pro-compensation.  No less than $1000 for every day they spent as slaves.  All descendants of slaves, please form an orderly line.

The Spartans did that to their slaves. Just that the people that got in line never got out of line.....they died.

So what comes around goes around eh?

I was uneasy about Ottoman treatment of Greek population. Now, after I read about helots, I can only say that this is natural. Hah. Never thought the Spartans' descendants would be janissaries and slave boys to be screwed by Janissary Aghas! Who knows, some Ottomans might be also some far,far descendants of helots.

The ottomans don't exist anymore. WWI gave 'em a good whack.
(I'm referring to the empire. Ottoman Empire)
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actually i think it was the turkish and greek wars of independance that finished off the ottomans, but hey, its a thing historians argue about all the time and i guess it could have been either one,.
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I'm sick of it. I am just sick of it.

I'm sick of people who think they constantly need to remind minorities that we owned them. Yes, we have enslaved them, slaughtered them, killed them etc. But they get the point! We need to stop wishing that we could go back in time and try to stop Hitler, or give tanks to Sparticus. We need to go forward and do something to make sure something like the Holocaust or Slavery never happens again. Remember the past, don't try to relive the past.

I'm also sick of Minority groups you take advantage of this PC culture. Jesse Jackson could go into a reastrurant and emerge with more money by playing the "Race" card. I don't hate Minorities, I just sick of individuals getting rich because of The Holocaust or Slavery.
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Bigfoot
Mar 16 2007, 08:27 PM
I'm sick of it. I am just sick of it.

I'm sick of people who think they constantly need to remind minorities that we owned them. Yes, we have enslaved them, slaughtered them, killed them etc. But they get the point! We need to stop wishing that we could go back in time and try to stop Hitler, or give tanks to Sparticus. We need to go forward and do something to make sure something like the Holocaust or Slavery never happens again. Remember the past, don't try to relive the past.

I'm also sick of Minority groups you take advantage of this PC culture. Jesse Jackson could go into a reastrurant and emerge with more money by playing the "Race" card. I don't hate Minorities, I just sick of individuals getting rich because of The Holocaust or Slavery.

Agreed. I only say that Spartans tormenting Helots out of fun and killing slaves fulfilling their freedom money had their descendants owned by Ottomans. A cycle of naturality, no doubt.
Wine in hand, in the other, Quran,
Both halal I do and haram,
In this incomplete world of a sham,
Neither Pagan I am, nor Musselman!


Omar Khayyam

Come, come, whoever you are,
Wanderer, idolater, worshipper of fire,
Come even though you have broken your vows a thousand times,
Come, and come yet again.
Ours is not a caravan of despair


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Khan
Mar 17 2007, 07:21 PM
Bigfoot
Mar 16 2007, 08:27 PM
I'm sick of it. I am just sick of it.

I'm sick of people who think they constantly need to remind minorities that we owned them. Yes, we have enslaved them, slaughtered them, killed them etc. But they get the point! We need to stop wishing that we could go back in time and try to stop Hitler, or give tanks to Sparticus. We need to go forward and do something to make sure something like the Holocaust or Slavery never happens again. Remember the past, don't try to relive the past.

I'm also sick of Minority groups you take advantage of this PC culture. Jesse Jackson could go into a reastrurant and emerge with more money by playing the "Race" card. I don't hate Minorities, I just sick of individuals getting rich because of The Holocaust or Slavery.

Agreed. I only say that Spartans tormenting Helots out of fun and killing slaves fulfilling their freedom money had their descendants owned by Ottomans. A cycle of naturality, no doubt.

Did you know that a Spartian had to kill a slave in order to complete their training?
Their decendents were Jannisaries. :)
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Falcon
Mar 13 2007, 01:40 PM
Who is going to apologize to me for holding my ancestors as slaves and buying their children for dog meat? (Rome is gone)

Crisco!

My 18th Century ancestors (first ones over from England of Scottish descent) were indentured servants...Maybe King James can posthumously grant ol Francis some freedom...oh, wait it wouldn't matter.

On the other hand it is pretty much like anglo saxons got a world wide 400 year head start, or rather pushed the advanced Northern African culture back 800. But, what are you gonna do to change it? I'll tell you what you're going to do...make brown babies...if you're light find a dark....if you're dark find a light, eventually, in the US, we will all be caramel.
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Bigfoot
Mar 18 2007, 07:42 PM

Did you know that a Spartian had to kill a slave in order to complete their training?
Their decendents were Jannisaries. :)

Eh... Janissaries are from Christianity-converted boys which can't marry and are literally islamic warrior monks.

Spartans were gone since then.

Still, I'd say giving 1 out of 5 male children to Janissary barracks is a fair price for living under complete citizenship in Ottoman Empire as a non-Muslim. Why does Greece and Armenians bitch about it? We could have exterminated them all in 1453 . Other kingdoms had far harsher terms for the conquered, we allowed them to live as they wanted. Remember Jews and Moslems of Spain?

Bah...
Wine in hand, in the other, Quran,
Both halal I do and haram,
In this incomplete world of a sham,
Neither Pagan I am, nor Musselman!


Omar Khayyam

Come, come, whoever you are,
Wanderer, idolater, worshipper of fire,
Come even though you have broken your vows a thousand times,
Come, and come yet again.
Ours is not a caravan of despair


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most of my ancestors were enslaved by the ejyptians, does that mean i have a right to compensation? its exactly the same as the situation other slave decendanst are in, so shouldn't they also support me if i claimed.

nah. . nah. . no.

this is just a bunch of people wanting free money because of somthing they read in a history book. its not because of them wanting to be re-paid and apologised too, its because of their own selfish wants for cash.
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How would you even begin to asess how much money each family were to get?

I dare say, the Jones' won't get much, as there are so many. Neither will the Browns.
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Khan
Mar 20 2007, 02:29 PM
Bigfoot
Mar 18 2007, 07:42 PM

Did you know that a Spartian had to kill a slave in order to complete their training?
Their decendents were Jannisaries.  :)

Eh... Janissaries are from Christianity-converted boys which can't marry and are literally islamic warrior monks.

Spartans were gone since then.

Still, I'd say giving 1 out of 5 male children to Janissary barracks is a fair price for living under complete citizenship in Ottoman Empire as a non-Muslim. Why does Greece and Armenians bitch about it? We could have exterminated them all in 1453 . Other kingdoms had far harsher terms for the conquered, we allowed them to live as they wanted. Remember Jews and Moslems of Spain?

Bah...

Meh, I know that Sparta was nothing in 1453, I'm talking about the decendents of Sparta.

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Brutus
Mar 20 2007, 07:07 PM
most of my ancestors were enslaved by the ejyptians, does that mean i have a right to compensation? its exactly the same as the situation other slave decendanst are in, so shouldn't they also support me if i claimed.

nah. . nah. . no.

this is just a bunch of people wanting free money because of somthing they read in a history book. its not because of them wanting to be re-paid and apologised too, its because of their own selfish wants for cash.

Nicely said. I'll do one better. I'm a current slave to the corporate world, and so is everyone I've ever been related to, I should be allowed to sit on my ass and collect a check every week for doing absolutley nothing. Using the logic of compensating ancestors of slaves, I have a legitimate case, right?
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Mar 20 2007, 04:05 PM
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Mar 20 2007, 07:07 PM
most of my ancestors were enslaved by the ejyptians, does that mean i have a right to compensation? its exactly the same as the situation other slave decendanst are in, so shouldn't they also support me if i claimed.

nah. .  nah. .  no.

this is just a bunch of people wanting free money because of somthing they read in a history book. its not because of them wanting to be re-paid and apologised too, its because of their own selfish wants for cash.

Nicely said. I'll do one better. I'm a current slave to the corporate world, and so is everyone I've ever been related to, I should be allowed to sit on my ass and collect a check every week for doing absolutley nothing. Using the logic of compensating ancestors of slaves, I have a legitimate case, right?

You've sold me! In Fact, you already have put money away to do just that. All you have to do to collect it is to be fired from your place of employment through no fault of your own. Then all that stackpiled Social Security money is yours for the taking and yours to use to sit on your duff. You might as well collect it now, becasue we all know it sure as shit won't be there in 40 years.
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