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| Executive Privelege; The rights of the White House and Misuse | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Mar 21 2007, 02:33 PM (1,265 Views) | |
| Apocalypse Next Thursday | Mar 21 2007, 02:33 PM Post #1 |
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Disgraced Dictator
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Simple question. Do you think "Executive Privelege" should exist, and apply? Why do you think so/not? Moreover, should we be allowing the president and his aides to hide behind it in cases of wrongdoing? It seems this recent firing case has caused a stir of controversy, with El Presidenté shielding his buddies using the "We don't have to tell you, we make the rules, neener neener" curtain. Thoughts? |
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| Killer Bee | Mar 21 2007, 03:24 PM Post #2 |
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Simple and plain, NO, there should be no such rights for anyone. "Executive Privelage" is just about as ethical as "Diplomatic Immunity". Anytime someone is allowed to break the law or commit wrong doings and then say "we're above the law, you don't mean shit to us", there's a huge problem. Originally, it probably had a good purpose, now it's just another abused power Washington can cover it's ass with. |
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| Mister Sinister | Mar 21 2007, 03:53 PM Post #3 |
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Delusional Granduerist
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I can think of three seperate occasions where the Bush has claimed to be above the law. Now, this AG firing thing is going to be number four. He has already threatened congress in a manner that would make the shrewdest of mob bosses proud. Once any top official circumvents the rule of law for whatever reason you are officially living under Authoritarianism. You cannot make it up as you go...We are not playing that game. Everyone reading this refused, when they were children, to yield the rules of the game to some dipshit who was trying to break them. If you didn't, then you deserved to lose to the cheater. His statements yesterday sent me into a psychotic rage. I seriously do not know how much more of this above the rule of law/holier than thou bullshit I can stand w/out commiting heinous crimes against the State. |
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| Killer Bee | Mar 21 2007, 05:44 PM Post #4 |
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Let me see if I'm guessing which ones you're talking about: 1) Going against the UN and taking the first swing on Iraq 2) Illeagle phone and internet tapping (not getting a court issued warrant) 3) Trying to sell out the port security to a third party company, located in Saudi Arabia, without getting approval to do so first. I don't know if the third one will be the same as what you're thinking, but I'm pretty sure the first two you'll agree with. |
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| Mister Sinister | Mar 21 2007, 06:12 PM Post #5 |
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Delusional Granduerist
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The third is actually a little known event (or series of events) Best press money can buy Pentagon Boosts media War Note this excerpt: A Pentagon memo seen by the Associated Press news agency said the new unit would "develop messages" for the 24-hour news cycle and aim to "correct the record". The unit would reportedly monitor media such as weblogs and would also employ "surrogates", or top politicians or lobbyists who could be interviewed on TV and radio shows. When asked about this he (GWB) again claimed to be above the law. I kinda glad you bring up the Port fiasco. It was actually Dubai...the very same place Halliburton just moved...coincidence? What do you think Bush's propaganda machine would have done if John Kerry, Hilary Clinton, or Al Gore wanted to sell a Port to a middle eastern country. |
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| Rhas BloodBear | Mar 21 2007, 06:39 PM Post #6 |
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I FUCKING SUCK AT EVERYTHING GOD DAMN
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I cannot think of a president worse than him. Smurf!, I'd almost want to have Hitler. He helped his people better than Bush. He improved the economic situation as opposed to FUCKING IT UP LIKE GENIUS HERE. I hate this president so much. He, believe it or not, cheated to win the first election. His brother was a governor of some southern state, and he did everything he could to repress the democrat vote. Kerry knew of it and wanted a re-count. .. My fear is that once he is finally gone, other Presidents will be just like him because polititians (my spelling blows) LOVE power. |
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| Killer Bee | Mar 21 2007, 06:48 PM Post #7 |
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It would have been the dawn of a beautiful friendship, with benefits none the less.
Does the expression "licking their chops" come to mind? That would have been the perfect sure fire way the Republican propaganda machine could have started digging the political graves for any of Democrats you mentioned. This incident goes way further than the typical mud-slinging of politics. I can't decide if Bush is actually this goddamned stupid or if he just didn't think of all that was involved in this little deal when it rattled around in his skull. Although, doing the math of the other obvious political blunders that latch themselves to Dubya, stupidity can only be the possible explanation. I wish I could write laws to protect myself for being a dumbshit.... |
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| Falcon | Mar 21 2007, 11:38 PM Post #8 |
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The port is still regulated by US law, customs officials, port authority, etc... and the middle eastern nation in question is a friend of ours. Seriously, what's up with the same people who want to give terrorists in Gitmo lawyers and rights at the same time want to insult a friendly arab nation for no reason? |
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| Mister Sinister | Mar 22 2007, 12:16 AM Post #9 |
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Delusional Granduerist
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Freindly Arab nations? Dubai? Don't you mean Al-Qaeda's bank? Jeez how low will you stoop? How far will you tow that party line? All the way to the cemetary? Well, at least you won't owe Satan an explanation, he'll be proud! Comment on your friends: About half of the $250,000 spent on the 9/11 attacks was wired to al-Qaeda terrorists in the United States from Dubai banks, authorities said. al-Qaeda money in Dubai banks also has been linked to the 1998 U.S. Embassy bombings in Kenya and Tanzania. So, if by friendly you mean, "Helped the neocons (from here on out referenced as "the crazies") perpetrate a false-flag terror strike on September the 11th 2001", then yes they've been very helpful in that aspect. Thanks Dubai! Here's Halliburton as a gift. No, no need to thank us, we just feel horrible for not letting you secure our ports. Maybe, Saudi Arabia should be put in charge of Homeland Security. Next thing you know you'll be spouting off about how Pakistan is our freind, as well. What a maroon! Anyway, no one attacked your precious little Arab friend (until I was forced, by you, to tell the truth about your buddies). It was merely mentioned how big the Republican field day would be if John Kerry (or the like) tried to make this decision. Don't worry, nobody's gonna invade your friends...Turning our sites on nations like Dubai, Pakistan, and Saudi Arabia may actually speed progress in this "war" on terror, and the Bush bastard can't be having that. Bad. For. Business. It's so easy for you to lump people into neat little groups because you yourself are a neat little group, devoid of complexities (no hypocrisy doesn't count as complexity of character), so you're forgiven. Falcon's "freinds" |
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| That guy on the forum | Mar 22 2007, 01:01 AM Post #10 |
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Planning World Domination
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If Executive Privelege existed Bush would tap into the phone lines or something. Oh crap... |
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| Killer Bee | Mar 22 2007, 12:48 PM Post #11 |
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Right, but during one of Dubya's "above the law" decisions, they almost weren't.
Seriously, quote the insult. The point is the U.S. should regulate it's own port security, not sell it off to the highest bidder. This is a little too important to be ran like a Texas cattle auction. |
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| Falcon | Mar 30 2007, 01:58 AM Post #12 |
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The planes they used were United Airlines, boycott now!!!
By operating a bank? That money went through Germany too. Oh nos, the SS is back!
Pakistan has been pretty friendy so far, at least as much as can be expected. There's no need to insult them because they have a somewhat hostile population. Europe does too, but we don't freak out over them.
Well, I can't speak for republicans, but I wouldn't have had a problem, despite my dislike for Kerry.
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| sabertooth | Mar 30 2007, 02:27 AM Post #13 |
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Planning World Domination
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If you dont have intelligence on a person or what there going to do, and they happen to be a citzian in your country, they can easly wire money to where ever they want. All they have to do is say there sending it to a friend or relative if there even asked. Or it's even possible that there were bankers working at the place who were in on the plan and if that was the case, yet again they could wire it to anyone with "no question asked". The finance,Transition man,The money carrier (what ever you'd like to call it)obviously was a dubi citizan and/or they had bankers at the particular bank working for them or that were sympathetic to there cause. As for attacking Dubai, Pakistan, and Saudi Arabia for no reson but saying, "Um...you those people who hit down our buildings, right, yeah, we think there money went through this country, so yeah, your gonna have to prepare for a war. Without the actual government of that country saying they support what they are doing, would just prove all the moderates wrong and there theory that everything can be solved peacfully. And the extremists will probably be like "We told you so, these people hate us" |
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| Taslan | Mar 30 2007, 06:59 AM Post #14 |
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In case of emergency, yes. There are going to be times in the future, where executive power will be needed. To quickly act. However, it should be sparingly used, and after all said is done, if the use of it, with its disadvantages outweigh its advantages, then the person who issues such an order, should be shot on the spot. And yes, literally. Killed. Death penalty. - Taslan |
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"Who was the most beautiful Seraph in Heaven?" And I reply, "Seraph Michael?" "No." And I reply, "Seraph Samael?" "No." And I reply in finality; "Then surely, Seraph Seraphiel." "No. The most beautiful Angel in Heaven was, Seraph Lucifer And as He fell, His feathers departed Thusly, were the Souls of man and woman Tis the reason why He wishes so desperately for His Lost Feathers... His Wings... To fly Back Home." -God to Taslan | |
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| Mister Sinister | Mar 30 2007, 02:23 PM Post #15 |
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Delusional Granduerist
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My refusal to fly has been going on long before 9/11. And when I do fly I choose not to fly UA. Does that make a difference? No. Just like the war on terror hasn't made any difference in the way Dubai is conducting itself. I just want to be thourough, by looking into everything, even countries deemed "friendly" (whatever the hell that means). Surely, YOU can't be against thouroughness? There is no harm in exercising your right to spend your own money when and where you want. I'd expect a little more from you in that department, Mr. Gekko. I'll boycott whatever company for whatever reason I want. A freedom I probably won't have in the future.
Yes, by operating a bank, banks hold money, money makes world go around and around.. you should know that, Mr. Gekko.
And Pakistan.
The SS is back?! Shit! Wait a minute....the SS never left! Got me!!
Pakistan is only doing enough to keep the US nostrils out of their day to day affairs. Musharrif is not stupid, he's only going to do enough to get by....Not to mention we just found out that all those "Al Qaeda operatives" his ilk turned over to us weren't really anyone of any threat.
Nobody insulted anybody. How many times...around and around in circles...dancing with imaginary insults in your head...I don't want to walk around in circles walk around in circles walk around innnnn... Please quote what you found so insulting. I'll be glad to clear it up for you. You obviously don't know shit about Dubai, otherwise you'd know what this statement is lacking (other than an insult to reference). Hostile population, sure. You gather that because terrorists use it for a bank/hub? OR because 11 of the 19 came from Saudi Arabia...wait, how the Smurf! DID you come to that conclusion?
We don't? Missile "Defense" Seems to me like trying to drop a cache of weapons in the middle of Europe, is freaking out...un poquito, no?
Really?! I say that because I don't remember asking.
With open borders, multiethnic society and freewheeling business rules, the Emirates remains vital to al-Qaeda operations, said Evan F. Kohlmann, a Washington-based terrorism researcher. Dubai still "plays a key role for al-Qaeda as a through-point and a money transfer location," Kohlmann said. Of course you don't see a problem, you did not read the article. Emirates officials refused to discuss the country's latest steps to combat terror. al-Qaeda isn't the only organization that has found Dubai useful. The father of Pakistan's nuclear program, Abdul Qadeer Khan, has acknowledged heading a clandestine group that, with the help of a Dubai company, supplied Pakistani nuclear technology to Iran, Libya and North Korea. MOVE ALONG!! NOTHING TO SEE HERE!! FRIENDLY NATION, ASK NO QUESTIONS!! |
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