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Smoking Ban; What should happen?
Topic Started: Mar 28 2007, 04:20 PM (951 Views)
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Mar 30 2007, 06:54 AM
Smoking and drinking are harmful drugs, which should be banned in all forms.
Smoking provides no use in any field except for killing yourself (and slowly I add).


But, it's MY choice to kill myself slowly. Nobody has the right to make that choice for me. If someone gets the authority to determine what's right and wrong for someone to do with their PERSONAL LIFE then we're all in trouble.

The same people that bitch about cigarettes are the same people that get drunk at a (smokeless) bar and drive their car home. Do you see the problem here?
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For a while in England they said that they were going to have undercover police in bars and other public places to make sure nobody does smoke.

Also if you do smoke in a public place when the ban is in action, the owner (lets say of a pub) will be fined a hell of alot.

I am against smoking altogher and i think it will be good to have a ban as it does affect other.

A long time ago there was this great runner and he was very healthy and was going to live a long time, but then he got lung cancer because of second- hand smoking.
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Mar 30 2007, 09:49 AM
For a while in England they said that they were going to have undercover police in bars and other public places to make sure nobody does smoke.

Also if you do smoke in a public place when the ban is in action, the owner (lets say of a pub) will be fined a hell of alot.

I am against smoking altogher and i think it will be good to have a ban as it does affect other.

A long time ago there was this great runner and he was very healthy and was going to live a long time, but then he got lung cancer because of second- hand smoking.

No, I want you to show proof that second hand smoke is harmful, and proof that this runner died of second hand smoke inhalation. He was a runner, right? He could've died from lung cancer due to the toxic exhaust the cars on the road spew forth, while he's running around behind them.

I've had three relatives die from lung cancer...one of them smoked when he was young, but had not had a cigarette in 38 years when he was diagnosed. None were around second hand smoke very often, and none were ever around it in enclosed areas.

You and those that want to ban anything someone does regardless of it's health effects, have an unhealthy desire for a measure of control over those around you.

If not you'd want to ban things like driving automobiles, but you want to drive don't you...It's very dangerous, not only can the operator of a moto vehicle be killed, but so can those around the operator. Let's abolish that. Driving is dangerous, as it can kill. It's also dangerous to the environment, so we need an abolition of motor vehicles. Too bad, now you can't drive anywhere because ninnies like me are scared you might die and kill.
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I am against smoking altogher and i think it will be good to have a ban as it does affect other.


It's your right to be against smoking. But to ban something in a public place, like a bar or pub where consumption of alcohol can also kill you is just plain and simple prejudice.

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A long time ago there was this great runner and he was very healthy and was going to live a long time, but then he got lung cancer because of second- hand smoking.


If someone sits there without moving and inhales second-hand smoke without getting up and moving, then they deserve what they get. I can't have pity for someone like that. Also, can you give any (verifiable) links where second-hand smoke is proven to be fatal?
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We should be able to choose whether we want to smoke and drink as long as we agree to the consequences. If you are not hurting other people you should bascially be able to do what you want.
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Christians, should know it as "Free Will". A God given right to choose what we do unto ourselves. The fact is you'll find more conservative christians on the side against the very free will God has bestowed upon them.
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Mar 30 2007, 05:02 PM
Christians, should know it as "Free Will". A God given right to choose what we do unto ourselves. The fact is you'll find more conservative christians on the side against the very free will God has bestowed upon them.

If it's something that they have a personal issue with, then it's God not liking it and it's their mission to rid the world of evil "in the name of God", kind of like smoking or Ozzy Osborne.
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Survival of the fittest, my friend. Let alcohol and cigarettes be available to people at the age of 16. They seem to think they are grown up by that age, let's give them a chance to prove it. Also lower the age of gun control to 18, and remove the 5 day waiting period.

If people are stupid enough to destroy themselves with tobacco, alcohol and THC, then let's speed up the process a bit. Natural selection can weed out even the dumbest of humanity, and leave us with the ones just crazy enough to make the world better, stronger, and above all, smarter.

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The problem with that is that people can be pretty immature at 16 and be very mature at 20. Social influences play a big factor in this as well.
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That and some people can become addicted long before i would, and i know people who could kill themselves with the same amount my other friend drinks every time he goes out.
That being said i would like for some non-biased tests of second hand smoke, i have a feeling that it is bad or worse, but i wont force things on others on assumptions.
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Mar 30 2007, 05:38 PM
The problem with that is that people can be pretty immature at 16 and be very mature at 20. Social influences play a big factor in this as well.

And this difference in maturity means that there's less of a safeguard against responsible use of those substances. Not to say everyone above 20 would be responsible, but I'd be willing to wager it's a decent-sized chunk of irresponsible people cut out.
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Okay then......

http://www.lungusa.org/site/pp.asp?c=dvLUK9O0E&b=35422
http://www.gosmokefree.co.uk/secondhandsmoke/
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/2053840.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3201777.stm
http://www.nosmoking-itsthelaw.co.uk/?gcli...CFQZrUAodXFoNkQ
http://www.davehitt.com/facts/epid.html
http://www.epa.gov/smokefree/pubs/strsfs.html#introduction
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_hand_smoke
http://www.cbc.ca/health/story/2004/10/19/...hand041019.html
http://www.entnet.org/healthinfo/tobacco/s...dhand_smoke.cfm

You dont have to read through them all but i spent all morning finding and reading them.
Using cars as an example isnt very good, yes cars do give out bad fumes and cause global warming but we use cars to help people and get around much easier. However smoking is just a HABIT. And nothing would be different if they were not here today.
Maybe talking about the runner without any proof wasnt a very good idea but i remember my teacher telling us about this guy! But i remember her telling us it was due to passive smoking!

Just as a matter of interest- Are the people who are against the smoke ban smokers themselves????
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I was reading your sources and noticed that one of your citations says that second hand smoking decreases the risk of lung cancer by 22% (This was found in "...for exposure during childhood..."). I say we pass legislation to force perants to have at lest one smoker around the house at least once a week, to prevent cancer!

I found it here.
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Mar 31 2007, 04:55 AM
Okay then......

http://www.lungusa.org/site/pp.asp?c=dvLUK9O0E&b=35422
http://www.gosmokefree.co.uk/secondhandsmoke/
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/2053840.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3201777.stm
http://www.nosmoking-itsthelaw.co.uk/?gcli...CFQZrUAodXFoNkQ
http://www.davehitt.com/facts/epid.html
http://www.epa.gov/smokefree/pubs/strsfs.html#introduction
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_hand_smoke
http://www.cbc.ca/health/story/2004/10/19/...hand041019.html
http://www.entnet.org/healthinfo/tobacco/s...dhand_smoke.cfm

You dont have to read through them all but i spent all morning finding and reading them.
Using cars as an example isnt very good, yes cars do give out bad fumes and cause global warming but we use cars to help people and get around much easier. However smoking is just a HABIT. And nothing would be different if they were not here today.
Maybe talking about the runner without any proof wasnt a very good idea but i remember my teacher telling us about this guy! But i remember her telling us it was due to passive smoking!

Just as a matter of interest- Are the people who are against the smoke ban smokers themselves????

I'm coming back to field these links a little later, but I wanted to say that the car example is perfectly sound. How are cars used to help people? To get around? Is that worth the death toll every year? Hey some people die every die so that we can get going faster? Cigarrettes are part of the economy, they pay for people's wages, which translates into food, clothing, and shelter. Cigs calm nervous people down, you ever seen a smoker that hasn't had a cig in a few hours...The ban would actually increase acts of aggression and illegal activity. You need only look at Prohibition to see what harm could come. What about chewing tobacco? Would you ban that as well? Why? Because you think it's nasty? Let me live my life, Stalin!

Even the biggest automobile "helper", the Ambulance, kills people. The point is valid, people die due to automobiles, period. If you want to stop preventable deaths, then you best get going abolishing Automobiles, as well. But, you want to drive don't you? So, we can't have that. You have no interest in smoking, so that has got to go. That sir, is Fascism.

Since my participation in this thread has already answered the part about whether or not I smoke, I'll leave it for you to find, maybe you'll find some useful facts that I left pertaining to the EPA studies.

Why do you find it so easy to just ban something people want to do? How can you presume to live someone's life? It's not your decision what your fellow citizens do to their bodies. Especially since it's regualted to such an extent you don't even smell smoke on a daily basis.


I live (more or less) in Winston-Salem, NC. The tobacco capitol of the US (more or less) I spend day in and day out in and out of WS, and the surrounding areas. The only time I even see someone smoking is when I stumble across the smoking section of any Restaurant, Bar, or Business ( Most business' won't let you smoke anywhere indoors) Restaurants/Bars have to be circulated properly with air conduction. When's the last time you smelled a cig at the "Outback"?

Fact: On page 3-46 of the report the EPA estimates, based on nicotine measurements in non-smokers blood, "this would translate to the equivalent of about one-fifth of a cigarette per day."

Fact: Studies that measured actual exposure by having non-smokers wear monitors indicate even this low estimate is exaggerated. Actual exposure (for people who live and/or work in smoky environments) is about six cigarettes per year. (See also the study by Oak Ridge National Laboratories.)

So, do you come across so many cigarrettes a day, you feel the need to take every one out of total strangers mouths and stamp them out? It's simply NOT your decision.
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Fact: On page 3-46 of the report the EPA estimates, based on nicotine measurements in non-smokers blood, "this would translate to the equivalent of about one-fifth of a cigarette per day."


Its not the nicotine i am worried about, its the toxic materials that i don't want to inhale. As a person with asthma i can tell you that it becomes difficult to breath when i am breathing in smoke. As for the number of smokers you see... either i know a lot of smokers or you are lucky, because i see people smoking every day, and i inhale it often. I don't blame anyone for this and i know it is my fault, but if this was at my workplace then the only way i could avoid it is quit. I get in a vehicle once every 2 weeks tops, and i don't smoke, but i am still pro cars and anti second hand smoke. If you want to kill yourself go ahead, but i want to enjoy the fresh-ish air while i still can.
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