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So, four fifth graders had sex yester day...; Shouldn't they be affraid of cutties?
Topic Started: Apr 4 2007, 02:54 PM (2,168 Views)
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Apr 5 2007, 02:25 PM
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Apr 5 2007, 04:22 AM
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Apr 4 2007, 10:54 PM
I blame Rap songs and MTV (and other media). It seams to me that each grade gets sluttier each year.

I blame parents who spend more time blaming media than their own shitty parenting.

I blame media too.

The media reflects society. It doesn't create it. (The truth is a tad more complicated in that there is a bit of a feedback loop in there, but not by much.) Blaming the media for social ills is simple, lazy abrogation of moral duty.
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Apr 5 2007, 01:23 AM
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Apr 5 2007, 12:30 AM
You can't just put half of today's youth in mental institutions.

Which is most parents ways of solving problems. They think if they can pill their kids they will behave good.

And not all kids are idiots. I am taking offensize with things you guys are saying. I think parents are usaully to blame. If you think about it, 30 or 40 years ago some kids were the same, trying to be cool by being mean, and now they are teaching their kids the same thing. Like what Saber said, an unbreakible chain. Should parents abuse their kids for talking make? I don't think so, my mom never did. I think parents should teach children liek they would with regular people, start out with a medium level of respect, if they do something nice, respect them more and treat them better. If they do something wrong, just start respecting them less like you would with a friend and the kids will try to be a nicer to regain respect. But don't treat them like gods because then they will start thinking they are gods.

Then again, no one is perfect. Like I said 30 years

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Video games are not helping either. They are teaching children that if they mess up, nothing bad happens, they just have to reload and try again until they win. They have no concept of working for anything, the world is there to entertain them. If someone doesn't entertain them, they're jerks and don't deserve any respect.


Smurf! that... I know that if i die i will lose most of my stuff and most likely 5 - 10 IQ points too, Oh crap when was the last time i saved!!! *looks for journal*

Anyway... I have played a lot of games in my life... I would link to a post in a welcome thread for an example but i think I would prefer not to... but anyway I never came to the conclusion that there would be no consequences to my actions. And to the counter statement "you may be different then other people in that situation" I can say this. I know lots of gamers that know reality from the game, and know that they are responsible for their actions. I also know a lot of people who don't like games too much and have trouble seeing cause and effect even as i shout it at them, "I told you so" has become a worn out statement for me.... it has been for a long time.

aka Video games don't teach anything other then laziness, and may cause muscle fatigue everywhere but the fingers.


and on a side note... this reminds me when my mother said Diablo was to violent a game for me to play, and that she did not want it to influence me. My responce was "You should hope i copy this game mom, if i do i will be saving the world from demonic hell spawn. I would be a hero"
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Apr 5 2007, 10:41 PM
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"You should hope i copy this game mom, if i do i will be saving the world from demonic hell spawn. I would be a hero"

Hahahaha, thats a good one. I should use that one next time I get in trouble for playing video games.
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Apr 5 2007, 03:56 AM
Video games are not helping eithier. They are teaching children that if they mess up, nothing bad happens, they just have to reload and try again until they win. They have no concept of working for anything, the world is there to entertain them. If someone doesn't entertain them, they're jerks and don't deserve any respect.

Pardon me, but I must interject on this one too. I've been playing games since about 1997; to put that into perspective, I'm only 19 now. (Damn, I was hoping I'd never have to give that one away...) Perhaps your point applies to some kids out there, but videogames have never been anything other than an entertaining distraction to me - exactly the same as books and movies and music, in fact. Back in the day I even played games like Duke Nukem 3D and Doom (still do), and I do not feel the urge to go on a killing spree; quite the opposite in fact, I'm a bit of a spineless pacifist. Nor do I believe that by messing up nothing bad will happen, and I don't think today's kids are like that either. Even if they are, it's unlikely to be due to videogames. Just like me, the majority of sensible kids today view videogames as merely something to entertain them. They know that if they go out in the street and kill someone, they won't get away with it* and in jail they won't be able to quickload back out. Videogames are still too far removed from reality for people to seriously think that.

*Unless they're very, very wealthy of course, but then they'd just hire someone.
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To add to his point... and mine... I was born 1985, and i started playing video games 1988 ish, as a result I am lazy... and a game/internet addict. Oh and I have VERY strong thumbs and fingers, and a debatable quick reaction speed.

There was some weird study/report in a gun/archery magazine stating that playing tetris can help increase your reaction speed and that would improve your shooting skill.
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Apr 5 2007, 10:51 PM
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Apr 5 2007, 03:56 AM
Video games are not helping eithier. They are teaching children that if they mess up, nothing bad happens, they just have to reload and try again until they win. They have no concept of working for anything, the world is there to entertain them. If someone doesn't entertain them, they're jerks and don't deserve any respect.

Pardon me, but I must interject on this one too. I've been playing games since about 1997; to put that into perspective, I'm only 19 now. (Damn, I was hoping I'd never have to give that one away...) Perhaps your point applies to some kids out there, but videogames have never been anything other than an entertaining distraction to me - exactly the same as books and movies and music, in fact. Back in the day I even played games like Duke Nukem 3D and Doom (still do), and I do not feel the urge to go on a killing spree; quite the opposite in fact, I'm a bit of a spineless pacifist. Nor do I believe that by messing up nothing bad will happen, and I don't think today's kids are like that either. Even if they are, it's unlikely to be due to videogames. Just like me, the majority of sensible kids today view videogames as merely something to entertain them. They know that if they go out in the street and kill someone, they won't get away with it* and in jail they won't be able to quickload back out. Videogames are still too far removed from reality for people to seriously think that.

*Unless they're very, very wealthy of course, but then they'd just hire someone.

I'm not talking about wanting to go kill people, its much more simple then that. I'm talking about kids who want that instant gradification that video games provide. As well as the fact that kids can easily cheat though video games, and so when they actually have to work for something, it pisses them off.

And for me personally, video games can be very distracting sometimes, and I'm usually a B student, so I assume that its hard for other kids as well.
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Haha, I think the instant gratification comes less from video games and more from human nature. I see that behaviour all the time from people who hate video games, kinda like video games, like video games, love video games, and dont know what video games are. I find most people who play games enough to have the possibility of affecting them dont cheat, they prefer to play the game through over finishing it right away and being bored waiting for the next one.

As for your distraction comment.... I agree, but then again am ADD so everything is a distraction :P
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Apr 6 2007, 12:04 AM
I'm not talking about wanting to go kill people, its much more simple then that. I'm talking about kids who want that instant gradification that video games provide. As well as the fact that kids can easily cheat though video games, and so when they actually have to work for something, it pisses them off.

And for me personally, video games can be very distracting sometimes, and I'm usually a B student, so I assume that its hard for other kids as well.

I did go off on a tangent a bit with the, er, killing people... Well, anyway, I don't think people are necessarily influenced by videogames to go seeking instant gratification in everything else. I mean, it's the other way round for me really - if I want that instant gratification (this does sound very innuendoic, doesn't it) I'll play a game and indulge my utterly healthy desire to shoot a murderous alien in the face (THE FACE!). Of course, there are a lot of people out there who seek instant gratification all the time, but I think videogames are merely a reflection of that, and not the cause.

EDIT: Damn you agafaba, you got there before me. And didn't ramble.
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Apr 5 2007, 11:17 PM
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Apr 6 2007, 12:04 AM
I'm not talking about wanting to go kill people, its much more simple then that. I'm talking about kids who want that instant gradification that video games provide. As well as the fact that kids can easily cheat though video games, and so when they actually have to work for something, it pisses them off.

And for me personally, video games can be very distracting sometimes, and I'm usually a B student, so I assume that its hard for other kids as well.

I did go off on a tangent a bit with the, er, killing people... Well, anyway, I don't think people are necessarily influenced by videogames to go seeking instant gratification in everything else. I mean, it's the other way round for me really - if I want that instant gratification (this does sound very innuendoic, doesn't it) I'll play a game and indulge my utterly healthy desire to shoot a murderous alien in the face (THE FACE!). Of course, there are a lot of people out there who seek instant gratification all the time, but I think videogames are merely a reflection of that, and not the cause.

EDIT: Damn you agafaba, you got there before me. And didn't ramble.

I guess its not really a major problem by itself, its really a mixture of video games and parents that causes the problem. Parents don't want to deal with kids, buy them an Xbox, kids play that every moment of every day and never have to actually do any work.
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Apr 6 2007, 12:22 AM
Parents don't want to deal with kids, buy them an Xbox, kids play that every moment of every day and never have to actually do any work.

Now yer talkin'. Not sure about the 'doing work' bit though...makes it sound a bit like you're advocating child labour (no doubt unintentional).
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Apr 5 2007, 11:24 PM
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Apr 6 2007, 12:22 AM
Parents don't want to deal with kids, buy them an Xbox, kids play that every moment of every day and never have to actually do any work.

Now yer talkin'. Not sure about the 'doing work' bit though...makes it sound a bit like you're advocating child labour (no doubt unintentional).

as in cleaning up dog s**t and taking out the trash, washing dishes etc.


I guess the root of the problem is a lack of discipline and a good work ethic.
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Apr 6 2007, 12:27 AM
I guess the root of the problem is a lack of discipline and a good work ethic.

It normally is, yeah. That, and the fact that our masters have engendered this consumerist culture of ours, and it makes people rather selfish.

Although I just read your sig, and now the 'work ethic' part makes me worry.
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Apr 6 2007, 12:27 AM
I guess the root of the problem is a lack of discipline and a good work ethic.

It normally is, yeah. That, and the fact that our masters have engendered this consumerist culture of ours, and it makes people rather selfish.

Although I just read your sig, and now the 'work ethic' part makes me worry.

Isn't it ethical to nuke the planet if in the end I'm going to save it?

Wasn't it Stalin who said that "The ends justify the means."?

Seriously though, thats mostly sarcasm.

And I do agree that the materialistic world we live in promotes selfishness.
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Could not agree more, once the parenting aspect is removed its just a matter of where they go.
Video games = most likely lazy
Sports = most likely violent (at least as far as i can tell)
Friends = most likely chodes (see mundian language)
*insert jerkism and stupidity when necessary*

Sad thing is... these people grow up like this and the 5% that dont change at all will teach there kids to be the same, then it does not matter if the parents are involved or not. Also note the "most likely" i put everywhere, as there are kids that do fine without help from the parents.


EDIT - seems i was late this time...
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