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This is why torture is counter-productive....; Why Abu Ghraib was a clusterfuck.
Topic Started: Apr 8 2007, 10:53 AM (447 Views)
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Iranian diplomat talks shit about the CIA.

Typically when an Iranian official says things, my response is, "Yeah, right. Pull the other one. It plays 'Jingle Bells'." Of course this was before America's image in the world was tarnished beyond easy (or, given its current course, foreseeable) redemption by such lovely Bushco clusterfucks as:
Now? When I hear Bushco saying:
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"The United States had nothing to do with Mr. Sharafi's detention and we welcome his return to Iran," said Gordon Johndroe, a White House spokesman who was with President Bush in Texas on Saturday.

"The Iranian propaganda machine has been in overdrive since they paraded the British sailors around on TV. This is just the latest theatrics of a government trying to deflect attention away from its own unacceptable actions," Johndroe added.


Or when I hear the CIA saying:
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A U.S. intelligence official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the issue, said the CIA vehemently denies any role in the capture or release of Sharafi. The official dismissed any claims of torture, saying "the CIA does not conduct or condone torture."


My response is, "Yeah, right. Pull the other one. It plays 'Jingle Bells'."

Your moral stewardship is inspiring, America. Keep it up.
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Good call.
To hell with that.
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Like I've been saying to people on other forums. America and Britian versus Iran is not good versus evil its two indistingushable shades of gray against eachother.
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That goes too far, Hawkeye. GB and the USA are a distinctly lighter shade of grey than is Iran. Iran is still a really fucking nasty country to be in if you're not Muslim (especially if you're, say, Baha'i) or if you believe in anything other than bending over and taking it up the ass from religious lunatics that are almost as insane as Falcon.
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Apr 8 2007, 11:35 PM
...religious lunatics that are almost as insane as Falcon.

Almost. ;)

You're quite right. The Iranian authorities are propagandist headcases, but when our beloved PM speaks up on the Iran 'affair' (if you will), and when the British media tell us that Iran has a hand in the Iraqi 'insurgency', it is very, very difficult to believe a word they are saying.
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BohemianG
Apr 8 2007, 10:49 PM
and when the British media tell us that Iran has a hand in the Iraqi 'insurgency', it is very, very difficult to believe a word they are saying.

Very true, sometimes Iran is behind the insurgents and other times the media switches to say that Syria is behind them. I guess we're supposed to flip a coin.....heads means it's Iran.......tails means it's Syria. I just try and sort out fact from bullshit and draw my own conclusions. The media isn't a legitimate source for facts.....90% of the time anyways.
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I think Syria's off the radar for now. They backed down, and now the West leaves them largely alone, it seems.
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Normandy took more balls than Vietnam, it took more balls than Korea, it took more balls than facing mustard gas on a battlefield full of giant ditches with nowhere to run. It took more balls than the world will ever be able to ante up again.
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So, for clarification, there was actually a time in your life when you bought what the CIA/US Gvmt. mouthpeice was saying?

If anyone wants to bitch about how dirty the CIA is and actually be trusted on the subject it would have to be Iran. They've seen first-hand the terror US intrests can cause.
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Apr 12 2007, 04:43 AM
So, for clarification, there was actually a time in your life when you bought what the CIA/US Gvmt. mouthpeice was saying?

Yes. There was a time when the USA stood -- or, rather, seemed to stand (digging deeper reveals it never was the case) -- for ideals that were laudable. There was a time when "the US government said so" wasn't exactly proof, but was certainly a major point in a concept's favour.

There was a time when America really was the moral steward of the world. Post-WWII it was one of the only countries that could legitimately claim, in fact, to be even civilised.

The problem is that it is falling, and falling fast, in terms of morality these days. It reached a moral height (in comparison to what was around it) and then started a long, accelerating slide into the mud.
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Okay, but still...actually believing the CIA? Even when Reagan was in office and I was a super "patriot" (or so I thought) I believed in the US and what the US was trying to do...I even sided with Ollie (well, for the simple fact that I knew it went higher than him) even still when the CIA or FBI spoke ...I shuddered. This also occured on several occasions of Franklyn Nofziger taking the podium...*shudders*
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In some places I still believe the CIA today. The CIA world factbook, for example, is probably the best, concise quick reference to world geography.

But yeah, I see your point. I never actually did believe the CIA. I just believed that the CIA's handlers were reining in its excesses. I didn't realise until much later that the CIA's handlers were, if anything, worse than the CIA.
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I didn't realise until much later that the CIA's handlers were, if anything, worse than the CIA.


Far worse, and far more ruthless.
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The Geneva and various other conventions put a stop to most of the torturing on our side but hell..torturing ruins their productivity for slavery:P
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Apr 13 2007, 09:40 AM
but hell..torturing ruins their productivity for slavery:P

Eh?!
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