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so I want to hear all your opinions on this; Why are we here ?
Topic Started: Apr 17 2007, 02:34 AM (2,268 Views)
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It's my reasoning that if there is a God then that is precisely what God is...Scientific Laws/Mathematics. Or maybe God created these scientific Laws and set the universe in motion with them. Then the Universe behaved, according to these laws, and there is nothing more he or she can do about it but watch...and perhaps cry when it sees Earth.

And maybe if there are infinite Universes, then there are an infinite amount of Creators of those universes and it is an eternal competition. Who's got the better Unversal Laws? Not likely though. But it would be crazy!
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Apr 20 2007, 05:11 PM
It's my reasoning that if there is a God then that is precisely what God is...Scientific Laws/Mathematics. Or maybe God created these scientific Laws and set the universe in motion with them. Then the Universe behaved, according to these laws, and there is nothing more he or she can do about it but watch...and perhaps cry when it sees Earth.

And maybe if there are infinite Universes, then there are an infinite amount of Creators of those universes and it is an eternal competition. Who's got the better Unversal Laws? Not likely though. But it would be crazy!

Yeah. That sounds good.
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I think it'd be foolish to straightaway deny even the possibility of a god. I just need some proof that one exists. (Yes, I know proof is subjective.)
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Asking what's outside of the universe is like asking what continent is outside of Earth, or what's south of the south pole. Not even Vacuum, since even vacuum has energy (forgot what it is).

Anyway it all depends on what you define God as, and doing that itself is creating disagreements, so there can be no agreements over the existance of God- just like the tooth fairies and santa claus.
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If god existed forever then his sense of time must be messed up... maybe he just takes a couple thousand years to react and do something about the world (it would be minutes for him, but thousands of years for us) So we can expect a miracle to happen soon...ish.

Now i am just pulling things out of my ass
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Actually, I presume he wouldn't be affected by time at all. Everything would happen at the same time for him.
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That would have to be true... anyone who has an eternity of nothing to reflect on.... nothing would go crazy. But then again that would explain some things...
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When I was talking about atheism being a form of pessimism, that's just my perspective. Obviously it's a matter of perspective. My view was that some grounchy old geezer yells out "ah well you live and rot in the ground and cease to be". I view that as being pessimistic. Whereas mr. happy-go-lucky says "hey wait a minute, there could be a whole other universe out there that we go to when we die, we know nothing outside this world, who knows what happens" Again, my perspective.
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Apr 20 2007, 11:30 PM
What would you say to that incredibly vague description of God?

I would say what I say whenever anyone brings up any description of God.

What does your god explain that renders its existence necessary for a coherent description of the universe?

From the very few believers that can understand the point of that question (it's a tragically small number of believers who do!) I get what essentially amounts to variants of Anselm's Ontological Proof (executive summary: God exists, therefore God exists -- but he uses a lot more fancy wording to get there). From the overwhelming majority I get Hallmark Moments<tm>.
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I belive in god, even though there no no hard proof. It's also worthy to note that there is no hard proof that god dosent exist.
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Apr 20 2007, 09:08 PM
It's also worthy to note that there is no hard proof that god dosent exist.

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Apr 20 2007, 09:10 AM
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Apr 20 2007, 02:40 PM
Chinese guy, atheists don't believe in god or an afterlife. So not believing that there is something greater that we can't even comprehend could be pessimistic.

Which brings back the question. why are we here ? how did we get here? If we started out as microbes and evolved over time then where did the microbes come from ? That question alone makes me believe that there is some universal force that binds us all together into existence.

I see no pessimism there. Pessimism would be saying something bad. There's nothing bad in reality being what it is. It just is.

And as to "why are we here?" I recommend looking at evolution for some answers. And at various branches of astrophysics and cosmology. It all depends, really, on how far back you want to take the question. And, no matter how far back you go, you will always have another question which can't be answered.

See? You don't need an invisible friend in the sky to have something greater you cannot comprehend out there. You just need mathematics. Goedel wins again.

The question I present to you is how do you think we got here ? I've showed my beliefs and theories. I'm on your side, Science, Evidence and reason all the way.
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Assuming that God does exist, he must be in a higher dimension, where he can see time itself.

It's a lot easier to just take away the idea of God altogether, and stick to the currently popular String Theory.
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Apr 21 2007, 09:44 AM
Assuming that God does exist, he must be in a higher dimension, where he can see time itself.

It's a lot easier to just take away the idea of God altogether, and stick to the currently popular String Theory.

Err...string theory isn't as popular as it use to be, acuttally most scientists find it flawed. It's Quantum Computing that is the new string theory...
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Where all connected by something. The question is, what is that something ?
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