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Fascism in America; In 10 easy steps...
Topic Started: Apr 24 2007, 09:09 PM (2,506 Views)
piercehawkeye45
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May 5 2007, 08:20 AM
I've got a question and it isn't a rhetorical one:
group A and B have a conflict with each. The nature of the conflict does not allow compromise or it to be ignored.(such conflicts happen often unfortunately) Usually in this case the decision how to resolve the problem would be left to judicial impartial power C ( C having a higher standing in the hierarchy of the society than either of the groups). As anarchist societies aren't supposed to have a hierarchy(?) how would A and B resolve the conflict between them without resorting to violence ? Does a battle follow and the deciding factor, who was right or wrong, be who is left standing?

And before someone starts flaming i wish to remind once more that i am ASKING.

You have to remember that anarchy isn't focused around the individual but the community.

If an argument breaks out between two individuals then the community will help resolve it. Remember, it isn't every man for himself. Everyone works as a part of the larger community.
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Anarchy could only work on a large scale if their was some way to mobilise the people when a problem arose.

and the majority of the people need to be good, moral law abiding people who ,above all, will actually bother to get up and help fix problems as a communisty.
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May 5 2007, 02:38 AM
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May 4 2007, 08:08 PM
Along with this, these "groups" will undoubtedly grow, and the larger they get, the more powerful they become.  Wouldn't this lead to a very primative form of law or government?  Example, if someone were to wrong someone else like stealing, if one of these groups were to hunt down and take action against the thief, it would be a form of policing.

No good sir that would be raiding.

I thought raiding is when you ambush someone for their resources. I'm talking about a group hunting down a person for committing an act that is not acceptible by the majority.
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thats how alot of places were policed, the locals would get their guns or whatever weapons they have and go hunt down the person in question, its called a Posse (spelling?)
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No, anarchy can survive on a large scale without a way to mobilize the people. Assuming the country isn't attacked.

A country is made up of smaller parts. Those parts are usually made up by even smaller parts, then even smaller parts.

You already said that anarchy could survive in a small community and since a country is made up of many small communities, it should be perfectly possible for a large anarchical state to survive.
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May 7 2007, 09:00 PM
No, anarchy can survive on a large scale without a way to mobilize the people. Assuming the country isn't attacked.

A country is made up of smaller parts. Those parts are usually made up by even smaller parts, then even smaller parts.

You already said that anarchy could survive in a small community and since a country is made up of many small communities, it should be perfectly possible for a large anarchical state to survive.

Are you saying a country with no central government?

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Freedom is about authority. Freedom is about the willingness of every single human being to cede to lawful authority a great deal of discretion about what you do.

I call bullshit... the word 'freedom' speaks for itself. To be free. Authorities stop you from being free at some point, right? So what is this guy smoking?

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Freedom is about authority. Freedom is about the willingness of every single human being to cede to lawful authority a great deal of discretion about what you do.

I call bullshit... the word 'freedom' speaks for itself. To be free. Authorities stop you from being free at some point, right? So what is this guy smoking?

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Freedom is about authority. Freedom is about the willingness of every single human being to cede to lawful authority a great deal of discretion about what you do.

I call bullshit... the word 'freedom' speaks for itself. To be free. Authorities stop you from being free at some point, right? So what is this guy smoking?

-Dirk

9/11 ash, obviously.

Along with drinking too many "Cocaine Ladies" at Scores the night before.
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You already said that anarchy could survive in a small community and since a country is made up of many small communities, it should be perfectly possible for a large anarchical state to survive.


only if that state has no large cities,

In a city with a big population (or even just a few thousand) people couldn't give a shit if some guy is killed because he is just some guy, when in a small village he wouldn't be some guy he would be "Trevor from down the road" or somthing, basically in a small community people will get off their arse and do somthing.
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You are misunderstanding the way of live of anarchy.

Once again,

Anarchy is not where everyone thinks about themself.

Ponder on that for a while.
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Anarchy is not where everyone thinks about themself


what? no, you misunderstood me.

what i meant is that.

An Anarchy relies on its people being the police force and all that for it and in a large city, people don't bother to do that.

e.g

small village, someone is murdered

person A: Person C has been murdered!

Person B: lets get the killer fellas

*town finds killer and punishes them*

in a big City, someone is murdered

Person A: My wife was killed

Person B: *feels bad for person A but doesn't join the posse to telp find the killer*

and crime would be so common that without a real police force people just steal and kill and don't fear punishment because their is none, not even a deterent.
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Oh, yeah, sorry. I forgot you know exactly how people will react in a scenario that requires a different way of thinking then both of us possess. How could I be so stupid.

Large cities still have smaller communities in them too, like I said before.
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The only reason people get more lethargic in more populous areas is because there are larger police forces. No one SHOULD have to worry about it, so no one does.

Should the scenario change and it be up to us to decide how criminals were treated on a case to case/crime to crime basis you bet your ass people would be out there in force to beat the criminal to death or whatever to ensure no one dare try it again. People are vicious and restless...our current societal structure is what makes us lethargic and useless...unaware or apathetic to crime. Everyone is hanging on the state's tit for security, no? Makes us cow-like and glaze-eyed. If we had to depend (literally depend) on our selves and neighbors to protect each other it would be a completely different story.

Like Pierce said, large cities also have small communities. New York is a great example...Not only are ther five burroughs, but there are so many smaller communities inside ther it's impossible to keep track of... Chinatown, Little Italy, Bensonhurst, Long Island..etc.

The majority of people in Bensonhurst are Italian American who still have a large connection w/ their neighborhood and the people in it are like family. I cannot see these kinds of people lazing out of a perp-hunt considering if you drive throught the wrong part of certain neighborhoods you'll get your head bashed in. It would be more like gang warfare except less actual criminal acts (aside from the assault and murder).
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