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Flag burning. . . .; legitamat form of protest or unholy sin?
Topic Started: Apr 30 2007, 05:06 PM (2,273 Views)
piercehawkeye45
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One, we don't have free will to choose for God or not. Free will is an illusion.

Two, the Jews had a long tough history but the Africans and Native Americans had it much worse in a shorter period of time. Where is the Native American state, maybe we can cut out Washington for them, I bet everyone would love that.

Three, the Jews deserve nothing. We are not making any other state for a minority religion. Why are the Jews more deserving than any of them?
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piercehawkeye45
May 1 2007, 02:08 PM
Where is the Native American state, maybe we can cut out Washington for them, I bet everyone would love that.

most of north america is christian, i am sure they can live without that tiny little slice.

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Admit it. Israel exists because of the global powers are in favor of the rich, and Jews are very wealthy, and a politically powerful people. And wanted Israel.

i've always thought it was to alleviate white anglo saxon guilt after the holocaust...
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Admit it. Israel exists because of the global powers are in favor of the rich, and Jews are very wealthy, and a politically powerful people. And wanted Israel.

i've always thought it was to alleviate white anglo saxon guilt after the holocaust...

That also greatly helped of course. But Chaim Weizmann and other zionists had negotiated with the Brits before WWII about Israel.

Einstein too, I think.
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Zionism started to get going in the late 1800's.

Israel/Palestine started to get a progressively bigger Jewish population from that time until it was created in 1948.

You also can't forget the Israeli terrorists groups that helped lead to its creation.
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May 2 2007, 04:08 AM
god gave us freewill and the right to excersise it

So a fantasy being gave us a chimerical construct. And we're allowed to use it. How sweet!
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Jesus is the incorrect figure to represent that point. It'd be better if it was Moses or a God hand....


Yet the words are correct. Ranting over accuracy of picture seems a bit childish.

Pfft. Please you're Mr. Accuracy over here ranting and raving about the suffering in the world and I point out your visual representation isn't accurate and you say I'm ranting?! It was one sentence buddy. I didn't write an enormous post on it! I just stated the obvious, that it would be more effective if it wasn't Jesus. If I'm so childish why did you totally ignore my point about the Bible? It's funny without that book people couldn't prove God or disprove Him ethier...
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I think that sums up my thoughts on flag-burning beautifully. A flag is a piece of cloth, nothing more, nothing less. If people want to burn it, that's their business. People getting upset over it -- and especially calling for bans on it -- just makes me want to ban them instead.
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To me the flag represents your country,what it is and is a symbol of national pride and burning a flag to me is like insulting and burning your own country
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I am proud of my country when it acts in such a way to make me proud.

I haven't seen a country anywhere on the Earth that behaves in a way that would make me proud. As a result a flag is just a colourful rag that people worship for no good reason. Burn 'em all.
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*loads shotgun* Your burnin' my flag over my dead body:P
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I agree with Mike on flag burning, a cloth is a cloth, deal with it.

As for the Israel-Palestine thing? Just my two cents as I'm a Muslim and personally know a lot of Palestinians :

- Gimme a fucking break, Israel 'having a right' to the country doesn't justify what they do. They're killing men, women and children over a frigging piece of land, yes, it has religious importance to all of us, but if it causes this much hassle it's really not worth it I think. Heck, I'm a Conservative Muslim, I think just because the Prophet ( PBUH) rose to Heaven there doesn't mean we should fight over it like it was the Throne Of God.

- What the Smurf! is wrong with letting them live where they are? Sure, they hate your guts, but maybe if you decided to act nice, gave them a region of their own and generally didn't try wiping them out, maybe they'd think less homicidally towards you. I think Israel should, I'm honestly tired of the Palestinians bitching when I don't hear the Iraqis or Sudanese say anything.

- Yes, I sympathise with what the Jews went through, but what the Smurf! is the point of killing the Palestinians off for something that's a part of a long dead history? Plus, if you're Bible is really something to be believed, I think the Jews had it coming.

- We ALL know how the Jews are attention ( excuse my french) whores, well the Palestinians are acting exactly the same when maybe half the Palestinians I know haven't even set foot in the country since they were born. Honestly, I see history repeating itself a little bit, except now the alleged ( I say alleged because the Jews have had a checquered past) victims are the Palestinians and the aggressors Israel. One day the Palestinians will bite back, hard ( and to any Palestinian nit-wits out there that thinks it's a good thing, you should sterilise yourselves to not pollute the gene pool in the future).

- Kinda back to my original point, why does anyone have more right to a piece of land than another? Doesn't matter what happened in either race's pasts or whatever, if you can live there, live there.
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Free will is an illusion


how could you ever, possibly have any kind of incling if thats true whatsoever, you have no idea who, what or how powerful god is, nor do you know his intentions or beleifs, so issuing god some beleifs that he may or may not have and then calling him racist is a stupid thing to do.

to sum it all up, you are not all knowing, so dont try and act like it.

god may have no power over us at all, or maybe he doesn't want to interfere or maybe he just doesn't care and he has left us completely alone and this situation which you are insulting god for is completely our own making.

after all, its our mess that we have made. why should he fix it.

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Admit it. Israel exists because of the global powers are in favor of the rich, and Jews are very wealthy, and a politically powerful people. And wanted Israel.


Done. i admit it.

it was given to them as a kind of compensation for a little tiff that started happening round about 1933.

you are saying that a peice of land that belongs to 13 million people should be took off them and given to a religion that already controls half the planet has over 1 billion members, talk about abusing a minority!

the israeli army has done alot of disgusting things and i hate them for it but that doesn't lessen their claim to that land, that is where their religion was born, that is where their ancestors fled from slavery to and that is where they were kicked out of all those years ago, and they want it back.

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What are you talking about Brutus?

I made a statement that free will is an illusion and you accused me of calling god a racist. There is no way you can disprove or prove god so I don't even try or care. If your god expects me to conform to his "religion" (whatever the Smurf! that is now) he is an idiot. His "religion" has been trashed so many times that it is impossible to tell what is right and what is wrong.



Onto free will.

You have very little control over what decisions you make if any. We do not have absolute free will, we can not choose from an infinite amount of possibilities.

If you really want to go into it, there is only one path we can take since our brain is made up physical chemicals that follow physical properties, meaning you can only get one correct answer. If you throw a ball up in the air, there is only one place is can land. If you have to make a decision, there is only one action you can carry out.
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If you throw a ball up in the air, there is only one place is can land.

*cough* chaos theory....
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Even factoring in quantum mechanics, you don't get free will. Say that indeed a random factor came into the equation when deciding what you're gonna say. You can't possibly call that randomness free will.


Free will is an illusion. I would also appreciate if the debate of free will ended in this thread and was moved to one of the countless threads we have on free will. You will find them in the Philosophy and Ethics section. Thank you for your cooperation.
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