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Evolution sides with Religon; Where's your Darwin now?!
Topic Started: May 15 2007, 08:28 PM (1,010 Views)
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Rhas BloodBear
May 16 2007, 08:52 PM
I've heard of this before.

Also, people that rely on faith have more children then Atheists.

That's mainly because many religions forbid the use of condoms and other contraceptives.

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May 16 2007, 10:53 AM
Rhas BloodBear
May 16 2007, 08:52 PM
I've heard of this before.

Also, people that rely on faith have more children then Atheists.

That's mainly because many religions forbid the use of condoms and other contraceptives.

-Dirk

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I'm going to call bullshit on this one.

Until very recently life was ALWAYS extremely hard and stressful and people would rarely live to be 30 years old. Stress would not effect how long you lived or how many kids you had 100,000 years ago when we were hunters and gatherers. This is just some religious person pushing their agenda, it doesn't make sense.
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piercehawkeye45
May 16 2007, 02:19 PM
I'm going to call bullshit on this one.

Until very recently life was ALWAYS extremely hard and stressful and people would rarely live to be 30 years old. Stress would not effect how long you lived or how many kids you had 100,000 years ago when we were hunters and gatherers. This is just some religious person pushing their agenda, it doesn't make sense.

Hold on a second, I seem to be confused. Are you stating that stress has no effect at all as far as your longevity is concerned?
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I'm saying it does now but it wouldn't have any effect or very little back then since stress was already extremely high and people lived only to be 25-30.
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DirkNL
May 16 2007, 06:53 PM
Rhas BloodBear
May 16 2007, 08:52 PM
I've heard of this before.

Also, people that rely on faith have more children then Atheists.

That's mainly because many religions forbid the use of condoms and other contraceptives.

-Dirk

TO have more tithe-paying generic herds. Contraceptives and abortions gave the woman to control her body, and the Christians shit bricks for this. Hahaha...
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piercehawkeye45
May 16 2007, 05:12 PM
I'm saying it does now but it wouldn't have any effect or very little back then since stress was already extremely high and people lived only to be 25-30.

I would say it did have an effect, except it was the norm, so it didn't make a difference.


Plus, bubonic plague. </lame insert with a purpose>
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That's bullshit. I don't believe in any religion and I'm completely healthy and happy day to day. I don't need any false ideals or promises to ease my mind.
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It's not a religous agenda, pierce. It was written by a F*CKING ATHIEST!! Here's the downlow:

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PrimeMan 1 is an athiest. He sees lightening. Because humans think in a cause and effect relationship, PrimeMan 1 must figure out why the lightening occured. Since he doesn't have faith to fall back on, PrimeMan 1 is unsure of why the lightening occured. Seeing its destructive force PrimeMan 1 stresses over way the lightening occured but being so primitive has no way of knowing. Knowing that this "lightening" could happen at any moment, puts stress on PrimeMan 1. PrimeMan 1 will have this irrational fear now, since he did not know what caused the lightening and doesn't know when it will come back. The fear of the unknown...

PrimeMan 2 sees lightening. Because he doesn't understand what causes it he decides that it is the divine might of a god. Being religous, he makes offerings and prayers to appease that god. Once he has appeasesed that god, he doesn't feel stressed out anymore that it will happen since he appeased the god and now that the god is happy, the lightening will not occur anymore. PrimeMan 2 will find after his appeasements the lightening has gone and his appeasements worked. If the lightening did not go away, PrimeMan 2 would keep tweeking them until it did. Once it did he would know how to get rid of these fear and can know solve the mystery of why. Of course this is a delusion but in the same way not knowing has helped him move on. The fear of the unknown is solved by a supernatural being...


Modern example of cause and effect relationship in motion:

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pierce looks at topic entitled "Evolution sides with Religon". pierce reads that, religon makes you less stressed. Being non-religious, pierce finds it appaling that something he doesn't accept, might be beneficial. pierce, not clicking the link, must find out why this appaling view is true. Knowing that fundy religious types spew this bullshit everyday, he makes the connection and deems this view as "bullshit fundy religion agenda". pierce is less stressed and moves on.


Basically pierce, this study (done by an ATHIEST) found that religion was beneficial in ANCIENT culture, since it helped remove stress. I, wanting to insight debate, did not include every single detail of this article (including the ancient part) because I thought people would click the link aswell as read my post. So calm done, and realize that although religion was beneficial in stress relief (and in some cases today still is), it does not make you any happier.

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I agree that religion can reduce stress but I still don't think it had much affect back then. People were not dying from old age but from other reasons so stress would not have any effect on why someone would die. People were having kids at a very early age so whether or not someone believed in a god would have no effect on their children's survival.

I am not in denial about this study, just that I disagree with it. There is a big difference. I actually did agree with it until I thought about it more and came to the conclusion I did now.

Another factor that led me to this conclusion is the fact that I do not think there are two types of people: religious and non-religious. I think it is mostly social factors that led me to believe what I do now and even though genetics could have played a part in it, it wouldn't have done anything.

I don't believe in a god. My mom believes in a god. My dad believes in a god. My grandfather is a pastor. My aunt is a pastor. My cousin will be a pastor. Belief in a god is not genetic.
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EDIT: I am an idiot. One who needs coffee.

However, I guess I should further edit this post into one in which I say something marginally worthwhile. I think pierce makes a good point in that religious faith probably has little to do, in reality, with genetics, and more with culture and various social factors, and also personal experiences.
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