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Teleportation
Topic Started: Aug 10 2007, 11:28 PM (3,186 Views)
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piercehawkeye45
Aug 13 2007, 01:56 PM
Depends on how you view conciousness.

If free will is an illusion then it wouldn't matter since there is no permanent conciousness attached to your specific body and the new body would just pick up where the other left off.

If there is free will and we do have some sort of permanent conciousness then we would probably would "die".

That's exactly where the breaking point is. Although free will is an illusion (proven here in an earlier discussion), I want to know if that illusion persists when you get teleported. And if you would get cloned in a similar fashion (by rearranging atoms into an exact copy of yourself), would that give you control over two bodies, if the latter is true?

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Well, depends on how you view teleportation.

If a new body is created at the end from the random atoms around,the movie Prestige would be the ideal result.

If you body is broken down to some kind of energy then remade, I think your consciousness would remain intact, maybe it would be painful.
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Aug 13 2007, 03:41 PM
If you body is broken down to some kind of energy then remade, I think your consciousness would remain intact, maybe it would be painful.

Similar to a near death experience maybe?

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Aug 13 2007, 07:27 AM
That's exactly where the breaking point is. Although free will is an illusion (proven here in an earlier discussion),

Free will being an illusion has not been proven since there is a possibility of another factor. We don't know exactly how our conscious mind works so we can't make a definite statement about free will, only educated guesses based on logic and evidence.

But assuming that free will is an illusion, yes, we would just pick up where we left off since you will be an exact copy of yourself so the conditions of it being an illusion would be the same. You just wouldn't notice being a completely different person.
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Aug 13 2007, 03:43 PM
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Aug 13 2007, 07:27 AM
That's exactly where the breaking point is. Although free will is an illusion (proven here in an earlier discussion),

Free will being an illusion has not been proven since there is a possibility of another factor. We don't know exactly how our conscious mind works so we can't make a definite statement about free will, only educated guesses based on logic and evidence.

I'm entirely too curious about the workings of the mind (enough to maybe switch majors). The line between the physiological and the psychological becomes more blurred everyday.
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Same here, the problem with psychology is that it is very tough if not impossible to distinguish universal constants from variations in brain development since people work in different ways. Finding accurate tests is another near impossibility.

If I had a choice I would do sociology though, but most of the tests I want to do would be considered unethical for very good reasons.
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Aug 13 2007, 04:08 PM
If I had a choice I would do sociology though, but most of the tests I want to do would be considered unethical for very good reasons.

You have piqued my interest.
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If I had a choice I would do sociology though, but most of the tests I want to do would be considered unethical for very good reasons.

You have piqued my interest.

I'm going to start a new thread about it so I don't hijack this one.
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Aug 13 2007, 01:45 PM
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Aug 13 2007, 03:41 PM
If you body is broken down to some kind of energy then remade, I think your consciousness would remain intact, maybe it would be painful.

Similar to a near death experience maybe?

-Dirk

Probably. Turning into pure energy,being transmitted through a power line in which energy loss is inevitable then being recoded somewhere may even cause amnesia and tissue loss.

Like:

oh shi- my arteries lost tissue during transmi*gurgle*

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Teleporting a pencil? I doubt it. I don't think people realize the computer power needed to actually assemble the amount of atoms in a pencil in a sufficient amount of time. Not to mention scanning every single atom in the pencil before.
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Teleporting a pencil? I doubt it. I don't think people realize the computer power needed to actually assemble the amount of atoms in a pencil in a sufficient amount of time. Not to mention scanning every single atom in the pencil before.


Since this was bumped, I'll add something. Wouldn't you also have to have buffers to keep anything foreign from materializing with this pencil? Also, I imagine that a memory of the object's pattern would also be needed in case of a problem during the teleportation. We're not in the 24th century yet, I don't see this happening for a while.
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Aug 10 2007, 11:28 PM
I think it's time we revisit the future of teleportation. I recall reading an article where scientists had successfully teleported a pencil, the only reason why humans can't teleport is because it created a new pencil when the atoms rearranged themselves. And you wouldn't want to create a new you every time you teleported! :D

Has anyone read about this subject lately? It's always been an interesting topic.
Well then we all would become sickly frail little creatures and go extinct since its so darn slow to rearrange all thses atoms
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