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Time Paradox; What if we created ourselves?
Topic Started: Nov 2 2007, 05:08 PM (4,546 Views)
Simski
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Since I'm not to keen on the idea of the big bang, since there is no telling what created it.
This is my own hypothesis of how we might have done something terribly wrong/right in the future.

As you may be aware time travel have been on the minds of people for a long time, and in a near future just this might be possible.
My theory on this is simply what if something went terribly wrong when mankind attempted to create a device to travel through time ending up sending the whole universe back in time colliding with the universe existing back then to later on create us all over.
Well something like that, you see what I mean right?
My theory is most likely flawed so I will stay with calling it a hypothesis.

But I simply don't like the idea of how there was a time when nothing existed, and to me it would all make more sense it created itself later in it's own existence.

See examples such as
SPOILER WARNING: Harry Potter and the prisoner of Askaban when Harry thought he had been saved from the dementors by his father, but later on when he traveled back in to the same spot that he had been rescued he found that it wasn't his father that saved his life.
It was Harry's future self who had cast the spell to banish the dementors.
SPOILER END.

Or in the episode of Spongebob where the octopus character (I don't watch it often so I'm unaware of his name) where annoyed by Spongebob and Patrick running around trying to catch jellyfish and commented on that the creator of jelly hunting must have been the dumbest person that ever existed.
When he later on travels back in time to where Spongebob's and Patrick's ancestors where cavement, he is annoyed by them just actingstupid and gives them a hove and tells them to go catch jellies.

Note that I'm no way a fan of neither Harry Potter nor Spongebob, but I do have 3 younger half relatives... or whatever I shall call them.
And one younger sister.

. . .

SNAPE KILLS DUMBLEDORE >:3
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HAHAHAHAHA I love that you put a spoiler warning on everything but your last comment.



In your example you go by the theory that all travel into the ;past that causes changes have already happened. This makes time travel very unlikely as we would have noticed the one of thousand travels to the past. Also knowing humans someone would have went back in time to prevent time travel "for the good of humanity" every time it existed causing it to never exist.
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Simski
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agafaba
Nov 2 2007, 05:26 PM
HAHAHAHAHA I love that you put a spoiler warning on everything but your last comment.



In your example you go by the theory that all travel into the ;past that causes changes have already happened. This makes time travel very unlikely as we would have noticed the one of thousand travels to the past. Also knowing humans someone would have went back in time to prevent time travel "for the good of humanity" every time it existed causing it to never exist.

But traveling back a second time would not be possible since the deed is already done and we have already started over.
If mankind found no trace of these last travels (by bad luck for example) there would be no bigger chance of interference.

Lulz, favorite example:
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I am talking about a person from the future stopping time travel

Person A goes back in time causing event X
Person B doesnt like this and goes back in time to prevent X
Person B also prevents time travel from happening for a while to stop multiple issues

Repeat whenever they develop time travel into infinity

Result: Nobody knows about time travel and it never develops due to people using the technology to stop it from being invented.


When you have the entire lifetime of our species to change any part of history you are bound to make a mistake, fix that mistake, and then prevent the mistake.


EDIT - unless you are saying that the moment we use time travel we destroy ourselves and send a near infinite level of energy into the past (being the start of the universe)
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agafaba
Nov 2 2007, 05:39 PM
I am talking about a person from the future stopping time travel

Person A goes back in time causing event X
Person B doesnt like this and goes back in time to prevent X
Person B also prevents time travel from happening for a while to stop multiple issues

Repeat whenever they develop time travel into infinity

Result: Nobody knows about time travel and it never develops due to people using the technology to stop it from being invented.


When you have the entire lifetime of our species to change any part of history you are bound to make a mistake, fix that mistake, and then prevent the mistake.

Yes but what I'm saying is there could not possibly be a Person B.
Person B is always Person A in this scenario, maybe Person B goes back to change what he thinks is the work of Person A but to his demise he finds himself to be Person A
I don't believe that a person could follow another person back in time because of the fact that what Person A have done to the universe will already have effected person B once Person A travels back.
Only if Person A and And B where to travel at the same time would this be possible, but then Person B would not be able to predict the consequences of Person A and thus he could not have effected it.

EDIT - Yes.
That's exactly what I'm saying, or something among those lines.
The Terminator scenario is outrageous.
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Yes in my example Person B is effected by person A's actions. Person A can equal person B but because its a different future from the one that A grew up in B would act/think differently. more so it could be a future A or B that decided to go back again, ;with time travel as long as you are not dead you can prevent your previous mistakes, all except stopping time travel.

Now in this example person A would not change and there would be no alternate future person B. More so I am debating the possibility of time travel itself, because we would already notice the effects of time travel unless future travelers felt regret for causing those changes. If that was the case it would only be a matter of time till someone tried to prevent any travel through time, causing the original effect to never have been possible.
The only way I see travel being possible is
1. Humans set and follow rules (not likely or why would we need police)
2. Travel costs were so astronomical that travel into the past would be too expensive to do often or wrong.
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Nov 2 2007, 05:55 PM
Yes in my example Person B is effected by person A's actions. Person A can equal person B but because its a different future from the one that A grew up in B would act/think differently. more so it could be a future A or B that decided to go back again, ;with time travel as long as you are not dead you can prevent your previous mistakes, all except stopping time travel.

Now in this example person A would not change and there would be no alternate future person B. More so I am debating the possibility of time travel itself, because we would already notice the effects of time travel unless future travelers felt regret for causing those changes. If that was the case it would only be a matter of time till someone tried to prevent any travel through time, causing the original effect to never have been possible.
The only way I see travel being possible is
1. Humans set and follow rules (not likely or why would we need police)
2. Travel costs were so astronomical that travel into the past would be too expensive to do often or wrong.

I see your thinking, but I believe in option 1.
For example in Futurama when Fry travels back through time and is told to not alter anything or he might end up not existing.
Hearing this make Fry nervous and he constantly tries to keep his grandpa safe in order to make sure that his Grandpa doesn't die and Fry stops existing.
But when trying to do this Fry ends up leaving his grandpa in a house he thought was safe but was located on an atom bomb testing range.
When Fry see what he have done and notices that he still exists he assumes he can't change the future after all and goes to have sex with a girl since it won't change anything anyway.
But later on he finds out that the girl he was with is his own grandma making him his own grandpa.

My theory is this: If you go back to change something, your attempt to change it might make it the way it is.
And can not be altered unless the same person goes back a second time.
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If we could time travel, we'd end up with many alternate histories. Hitler died of a grenade in the war, (Not World War II, the war which I think made him phyco, said he heard a voice telling him to run in his head,) United States never existed, Some maniac controls the entire uncivilized world, Moses was murdered, etc.

But yes, I believe minor things could be changed, but major things can't
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Nov 2 2007, 09:56 PM
If we could time travel, we'd end up with many alternate histories. Hitler died of a grenade in the war, (Not World War II, the war which I think made him phyco, said he heard a voice telling him to run in his head,) United States never existed, Some maniac controls the entire uncivilized world, Moses was murdered, etc.

But if all we did have already happened without our knowledge?

What if the world today is what would happen if we already changed things for the better...
For example the murder of JFK, what if we prevented his death and found out he was the next Hitler so we sent someone back to kill him.
Or if someone killed and burned down Hitler when he was in his bunker for killing him before he started the war would have been disaster?

What if all the things done already have been done before we will never know it until we start experimenting with time travel.
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Nov 2 2007, 09:56 PM
If we could time travel, we'd end up with many alternate histories. Hitler died of a grenade in the war, (Not World War II, the war which I think made him phyco, said he heard a voice telling him to run in his head,) United States never existed, Some maniac controls the entire uncivilized world, Moses was murdered, etc.

But yes, I believe minor things could be changed, but major things can't

Your examples here aren't exactley minor things. Going back to Hitler, what if he developed the first atom bomb and used it in Europe to win WWII? The world would be a far different place..... A small event could cause this, but the outcome would be more than huge. Kind of like a snowball effect, small things becomming large.
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Nov 2 2007, 10:05 PM
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Nov 2 2007, 09:56 PM
If we could time travel, we'd end up with many alternate histories. Hitler died of a grenade in the war, (Not World War II, the war which I think made him phyco, said he heard a voice telling him to run in his head,) United States never existed, Some maniac controls the entire uncivilized world, Moses was murdered, etc.

But yes, I believe minor things could be changed, but major things can't

Your examples here aren't exactley minor things. Going back to Hitler, what if he developed the first atom bomb and used it in Europe to win WWII? The world would be a far different place..... A small event could cause this, but the outcome would be more than huge. Kind of like a snowball effect, small things becomming large.

I don't think they'd do major changes.
if we ever start doing time travel I don't think they will let just anyone do it.
It will most likely be very experienced marines and/or scientists.
Ordinary people would most likely not bee given the right of timetravel since they would probably go back to save their relatives or kill people they always hated.

I also believe if they do try this they will most likely change the universe but will look at the outcome and change it back to what we have present day.
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My examples weren't meant to be minor things, they were used as what people would do if they got their hands on that power.

I think time fixes itself, and changing minor things tears it, but... if you break it, time ceases to exist and everything is gone, or maybe it restarts
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Nov 2 2007, 10:12 PM
My examples weren't meant to be minor things, they were used as what people would do if they got their hands on that power.

I think time fixes itself, and changing minor things tears it, but... if you break it, time ceases to exist and everything is gone, or maybe it restarts

And the whole idea of it going wrong is my hypothesis on how the universe was created, what if they changed something horribly wrong and everything just accidently started over.

And also time travel would probably not be able for the simple man for the fact that they should not change things.
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Should not, but we should not murder and yet we have those who do it. The taste of power is much to alluring for everyone to resist.

They could play God, and that makes them superior, murderers do the same thing
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Nov 2 2007, 10:16 PM
Should not, but we should not murder and yet we have those who do it. The taste of power is much to alluring for everyone to resist.

That may be true but I do not simply believe that they would send a man back in time unless they could completely trust him.
Not many men of science would be stupid enough to change major things anyway, and if they did then maybe they went back and changed it seeing how horrible it went.
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