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| Time Paradox; What if we created ourselves? | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Nov 2 2007, 05:08 PM (4,552 Views) | |
| Dizzarth Stumpy | Nov 2 2007, 11:09 PM Post #16 |
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i can't believe you spoiled spongebob you fucking bastard. |
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STUMPY WAS RIGHT. HIS TOUCHING SOLILOQUY HAS MOVED ME, TRULY A MANIPULATOR OF THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE. I HAVE ALLOWED HIM USAGE OF HIS PREVIOUS ACCOUNT. EHRHRHRHRNGGHH LC is the best and brought back my embarassing sex tapes. | |
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| Myrrk | Nov 3 2007, 07:06 AM Post #17 |
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Crazy Doctor's Apprentice
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I like these ideas, someone should write a [controversial] book about how history was changed to make it how it is, maybe so loony went back in time to prevent our intelligence, but ends up inspiring the most ancient of religions. And speaking of time paradoxes, what would happen if: "Bob walks into a room, he finds a time machine, he uses it to travel back in time and have all sorts of lovely adventures. But seeing as his watch was wrong (he went over a border before finding the machine or there was daylight-savings or something) he came back one hour before he actually arrived. He leaves the machine where he supposedly found it. Then, one hour later, Bob walks into the room..." So it would be the same time machine over and over again, what happens if it breaks at one point? Would it deposit a theoretical infinity of Bobs? Actually, there would still be one Bob, the one that found the machine and the one that left were the exact same, but in that hour between there would have been two Bobs. What would happen if they met? Or the presense of one of them somehow delayed the other? Or maybe, seeing as all that happened to the Bob Who Will Use The Machine happened to Bob Who Left The Machine. Simski: "dumbest person that ever sexisted." What a horrible typo... |
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"Turning and turning in the widening gyre The falcon cannot hear the falconer; Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold; Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world, The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere The ceremony of innocence is drowned" | |
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| Killer Bee | Nov 3 2007, 12:04 PM Post #18 |
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But, how do we know which changed events would be minor or catostrophic. It wouldn't take going back in time and assassinate someone to completley change the future. It could be something as small as dropping your cell phone somewhere in 1945 and not realising it until you get back to 2007 and humans have cell chips implanted in their foreheads. That's the danger of time travel, one very small event can change the future. Also, if this were to happen, how would you go back in time and correct it? If the timeline has been changed, the events leading up to the change could also be altered. Meaning that you may not be able to back up and correct the problem. |
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| Katastrof | Nov 3 2007, 06:05 PM Post #19 |
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It's called "alternate history", and its already been hundreds of times already. SO...thanks for coming out.
Meaning that you never did go back in time to begin with, meaning the universe was never altered, meaning that time travel is impossible because any change in the past would inevitably change the event in which you traveled back in time. If that event is changed then you never did go back in time to begin with even though you did go back in time and change an event that stopped you from going back in time. (It's confusing, but its right, its called a paradox.) If you consider alternate time lines, then it resolves that paradox, but it doesn't explain what would happen to you (the time traveler) after you altered event. If you change time and then create an alternate time line, theoretically you haven't been born in that time line yet, and since you do not longer exist in your original time line (because you have traveled to an alternate time line), then you theoretically do not exist in any time line but you do exist. |
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| agafaba | Nov 3 2007, 10:25 PM Post #20 |
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unless you cease to exist the moment you go back in time... meaning you did exist up to that point. In the other time line there would either be a different you or you would not exist, however it would not be the same you so your existence would continue from the point you returned to. (being timeline 3) |
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| Myrrk | Nov 4 2007, 02:53 AM Post #21 |
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Every thing thay you do in the past can drastically change the future, it just dpends on how far the past and the future/present are from each other and how long you are in that time. If you went back one minute and squished a bug and came back to your timeline after 30 seconds had past then it wouldn't be a very big deal. But go back 100 or even one million years and squash a bug, you could be killing the anscestor of the bug tha was annoying you last tuesday (last tuesday your time of course) or that sqashed bug will rot and patch of fungi grew on it and then that fungi fed a bigger animal until you've changed history completely. The tiniest thing could change every future thought. Although, it could already have happened and if some future person hadn't gone back in time and squashed that bug then everything would be different, seeing as it would have already happened. |
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"Turning and turning in the widening gyre The falcon cannot hear the falconer; Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold; Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world, The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere The ceremony of innocence is drowned" | |
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| Harbinger | Nov 5 2007, 02:53 PM Post #22 |
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The Oracle of Wrath
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I want to take this in a totally different direction so bare with me, its worth it! Lets say that in the not so distant future, a scientific organization makes a breakthrough to discover that time travel is possible, but it requires enormous amounts of energy, and the rammifications of time travel are unknown in addition to the shakey nature of trying to nail down one specific point in time to travel to. Then the unthinkable happens....some catostrophic event takes place. Either due to human carelessness or due to some natural disaster and we are facing the end of humanity as we know it. This one group of scientist are the only people who know about time travel and they alone have the only expiremental time machine in the world. In the last minutes of humanity, they try and send a male and a female back in time with this technology to share with other scientist and to try and prevent this apocalypse from happening. (also realize that this is a shakey hypothesis, that several scenarios could take place here, so dont read this so literally) Now there is a tragic miscalculation, maybe a surge in power, or a mistake in the process, and instead of being sent back 50 or 100 years, they get sent back to the dawn of time and the beginning of humanity. They are the first man and women, the "Adam and Eve" of our time. They use their knowledge of the future to survive but all the technology gets lost. Now all of humanity stems from these two people and history repeats itself over and over again. No one is the wiser! We all exist in the redundant loop of life, the same evolutions, and languages and events happen the same exact way, over and over again for about 50,000 years and at the end, they always send two people back. Then you get back ot the arguement of the chicken or the egg. Meanwhile, some whacky god in the sky marvels at his creation and how awesome it works as it carries on continously through time repeating over and over again, like a computer programmer who has created some mathmatic formula that repeats itself until the end of time. Also in the future where the two people left from, the event of time travel created a black hole, and thats why we see all these little black holes throughout the universe....countless other worlds existing at different points in time doing the same shit we are! yay! |
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| Katastrof | Nov 5 2007, 04:04 PM Post #23 |
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One Of The Four Horseman
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That's a pretty good theory...except two people cannot reproduce the human race. You'd have so much inbreeding involved that by the 3rd generation, they'd all have 6 toes, one eye and enough mutations to make Chernobyl look like a better option than having sex with your sister. It's scientifically proven that the more times a family f***s together, the more time babies will be born with:
Which in Darwin's world means that, that species is royally f**ked. (Get it?) SO...thanks for coming out. |
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| gay | Nov 5 2007, 05:51 PM Post #24 |
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Earth Ending Impacter
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so how did humanity start out then? |
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| Katastrof | Nov 5 2007, 07:57 PM Post #25 |
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One Of The Four Horseman
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| agafaba | Nov 6 2007, 05:50 AM Post #26 |
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douchebagga
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Maybe thats why we looked like ape men? |
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| Harbinger | Nov 6 2007, 01:26 PM Post #27 |
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Good thoughts! See, the whacky scientist god had many failed experiements before us, his closest success being dinosaurs. So during every revolution of this time paradox loop, we rediscover the same old fossils, everytime. The ancient languages...if there were any, stem from a future dialect. But since the inbreeding, humanity goes through this decline reverting to a cro-magnon state before coming back around again therefore giving us the idea of evolution. Although th inbreeding arguement could be weak. Pack animals inbreed a lot and in ancient times of the Roman Empire and Fuedal England, there was also a great deal of inbreeding. It was not a catastrophic effect. Now, if you read the Bible, most of Genesis talks about the life spans of people being 800-900 years. Maybe in the future, we are able to alter genetics in order to expande life expectancy. So the people who go back in time live super long and have a ton of kids, 50 children maybe? And those kids spread out across the land. The diversity of the children and great grand children could be enough to offset inbred flaws over a long perioid of time. It does take time for inbreeding over several generations to have any real effects, and even then, you are only heightening your chances, not guaranteeing retardation. Maybe a consequence to the inbreeding is the shorter lifespan the is realized in the first 5000 years of the bible?? Food for thought! |
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| Dizzarth Stumpy | Nov 6 2007, 08:19 PM Post #28 |
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yeah, that's why so many "royal" bloodlines have problems like hemophilia. two cousins fucking each other and popping out a kid is DRASTICALLY different from every single child after the first generation being insanely inbred.
that is fucking retarded. geographical differences do not affect biology except through the process of evolution, which requires a lot (A LOT) more than a couple of generations. seriously, FUCKING RETARDED: if i move to asia and my sister stays in canada, and we each marry one of our other brothers and sisters, and 200 years later our great grandkinds get together and fuck, their kids aren't going to be any less inbred. my rolls of fat are quivering with rage at the stupidity of this particular argument. you need something like 20-odd (i think, i'm taking my information from an episode of star trek: TNG) families in order to repopulate a planet and avoid inbreeding. it cannot be done with 2 people. |
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STUMPY WAS RIGHT. HIS TOUCHING SOLILOQUY HAS MOVED ME, TRULY A MANIPULATOR OF THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE. I HAVE ALLOWED HIM USAGE OF HIS PREVIOUS ACCOUNT. EHRHRHRHRNGGHH LC is the best and brought back my embarassing sex tapes. | |
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| The_Nahga | Nov 6 2007, 08:53 PM Post #29 |
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This remind me of that episode of Sealab 2021 in season one where Dr. Quinn and Stormy get sucked into a time warp 15 minutes into the past due to an explosion in their attemp to steal cable. They keep going back to the lab to stop the explosion but get thrown in jail and the place explodes anyway and sends another pair of Dr. Quinns and Stormys back. The loop repeats like 17 times, the jail cell becomes full of Quinns and Stormys and the later gen ones start looking all kinds of weird. |
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| Katastrof | Nov 6 2007, 09:56 PM Post #30 |
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I couldn't have said it better myself. This is my problem with proponents of "intelligent" design. Instead of observing things in nature and producing on a theory that works to fit these observations together, they instead have a theory in mind and go out into the world look for observations that fit their theory and ignore any other conflicting observations. When you create a theory, scientifically at least, you go out with a hypothesis of what is going to happen. You do not however, skew observations to fit that hypothesis, if its wrong it has as much value than as if was correct. And just an FYI, the Bible is not an accurate historical account of humanity 4000 (?) years ago. I am Catholic, but I do not believe that the Bible (especially Genesis) is fact. It's good symbolism of what the religion's message states (God was the creator, he created everything, man and women were created, humans are essentially good, et cetera) but it is not a first hand account of how it transpired. Seriously if we believed that Genesis was correct , than maybe we should go back to having slaves, beating our wives and killing infidels. (All these things are a reflection on the culture of the time the Bible was written). |
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