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Authentics on ebay (longago08)
Topic Started: May 31 2011, 07:24 AM (2,493 Views)
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Gonna be interesting to see if the Authentics being sold on ebay by the member longlongago08 make the prices or even more which he paid for them from Topps:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/2010-11-Topps-Hundred-Club-Ryan-Giggs-Sign-Limited-105-/250827194746?pt=UK_SportsMemorabilia_Football_Memorabilia_ET&hash=item3a6677417a
Topps Price Paid = 50.00
Postage from Topps = 2.15
Postage Cost to send = 6.00
Ebay Final Value Fee = 9.18
Paypal Fee = 3.18
Final Ebay Price = 103.00 incl p&p
PROFIT = 32.49

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/2010-11-Topps-Record-Signing-Shearer-Auto-Limited-150-/250827195835?pt=UK_SportsMemorabilia_Football_Memorabilia_ET&hash=item3a667745bb
Topps Price Paid = 50.00
Postage from Topps = 2.15
Postage Cost to send = 6.00
Ebay Final Value Fee = 7.47
Paypal Fee = 2.61
Final Ebay Price = 83.00 incl p&p
PROFIT = 14.77

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/2003-Topps-Gold-Premier-Michael-Owen-Autograph-/250827197513?pt=UK_SportsMemorabilia_Football_Memorabilia_ET&hash=item3a66774c49
Topps Price Paid = 60.00
Postage from Topps = 2.15
Postage Cost to send = 6.00
Ebay Final Value Fee = 7.47
Paypal Fee = 2.61
Final Ebay Price = 83.00 incl p&p
PROFIT = 4.77

Will all be able to see if profit can be made at this early stage of selling then as he is the first seller to risk high buying price to see demand from people who do not know the Topps Authentics site exists...
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I hope he will make a profit but it would be tough considering the amount of fee charged by ebay and paypal.
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Already on a profit! Will be interesting to see the final prices...... if he is really on the ball he could also make a few pounds from second chance offers
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May 31 2011, 02:51 PM
Already on a profit! Will be interesting to see the final prices...... if he is really on the ball he could also make a few pounds from second chance offers
Do you reckon its the American buyers Ben for the 2003 Owen?
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I have no idea mate. I have been trying to work out who the bidders are based on their feedback scores but have had no luck. The prices just keep going up.

The Owen auto I can understand - it is a very rare card and people (myself included) have been looking for it for a long time.

The level of bidding on the new Authentics cards is strange though - I would have thought people would atleast do a quick google search on any new product before putting a bid of 70+ on it......

Fair play to the seller - he took a risk and it has paid off
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Broke about level now , when considering all fees commission from both parties (eBay/Paypal).
Looks like he will make a nice little profit with time left (on the auction) and obviously lots of interest.
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how much is ebay final value fees? We can then work out if worth doing after all fees taken and final selling price?
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how much is ebay final value fees? We can then work out if worth doing after all fees taken and final selling price?
9% of the Final selling price, very similar % then for PayPal,
Also insertion prices would have been involved unless ran from a 99p auction start.
Also P&Pwill cost more than 1 and if signed for will be more like 7(if international) and considering the P&P Topps originally charged, this represents a huge margin lost
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Jun 1 2011, 10:45 AM
how much is ebay final value fees? We can then work out if worth doing after all fees taken and final selling price?
9% of the Final selling price, very similar % then for PayPal,
Also insertion prices would have been involved unless ran from a 99p auction start.
Also P&Pwill cost more than 1 and if signed for will be more like 7(if international) and considering the P&P Topps originally charged, this represents a huge margin lost
ok so, will assume listed for free on ebay.
Split the 6.50 postage cost between the 3 cards...
9% Final value fee ebay

Isnt paypal 3.2% +20p or something like that?

Yes assume registered international postage will be 7, so will add on postage charged on listing to final price and then put the international post charge as a deduction.
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Paypal fees are 2.9%
In the item description he actually states postage to be 6
They start at 99p
Postage for the 3 autos and the box from Topps will have been 12 max (so for ease let's call that 3 per item)

If Giggs were to sell for the 82 it is currently on, he would be making a profit of approximately 19 (82 - 10(fees) - 3(postage) - 50(original cost))

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lol, no worries Ben. thx for the paypal fees %.
Have assumed that Topps would charge 6.50 for post to UK for all 3 so charged 2.15 each.
Have edited my first post. Will do the calcs later when auctions finish...!!
Postage from Germany at 6 is about spot on I reckon?
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didnt bother putting the base cards on Calvin. Looks like I should've done...sounds like definately worth investing in the 20 card set ones from Topps then.
Will add the basic card links below so we can all see what they finish at.
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http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/2010-11-Topps-Gold-Premier-Kevin-Davies-Limited-2000-/250827180192?pt=UK_SportsMemorabilia_Football_Memorabilia_ET&hash=item3a667708a0

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/2010-11-Topps-Gold-Premier-Asamoah-Gyan-Limited-2000-/250827180936?pt=UK_SportsMemorabilia_Football_Memorabilia_ET&hash=item3a66770b88

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/2010-11-Topps-Gold-Premier-Charlie-Adam-Limited-2000-/250827181593?pt=UK_SportsMemorabilia_Football_Memorabilia_ET&hash=item3a66770e19

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/2010-11-Topps-Gold-Premier-Odemwingie-Limited-2000-/250827182075?pt=UK_SportsMemorabilia_Football_Memorabilia_ET&hash=item3a66770ffb

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/2010-11-Topps-Gold-Premier-Fernando-Torres-Limited-2000-/250827182684?pt=UK_SportsMemorabilia_Football_Memorabilia_ET&hash=item3a6677125c

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/2010-11-Topps-Gold-Premier-Scott-Parker-Limited-2000-/250827183080?pt=UK_SportsMemorabilia_Football_Memorabilia_ET&hash=item3a667713e8

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/2010-11-Topps-Gold-Premier-Tim-Cahill-Limited-2000-/250827183451?pt=UK_SportsMemorabilia_Football_Memorabilia_ET&hash=item3a6677155b

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/2010-11-Topps-Gold-Premier-Hugo-Rodallega-Limited-2000-/250827184262?pt=UK_SportsMemorabilia_Football_Memorabilia_ET&hash=item3a66771886

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/2010-11-Topps-Gold-Premier-Bobby-Zamora-Limited-2000-/250827184782?pt=UK_SportsMemorabilia_Football_Memorabilia_ET&hash=item3a66771a8e

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/2010-11-Topps-Gold-Premier-Cesc-Fabregas-Limited-2000-/250827185836?pt=UK_SportsMemorabilia_Football_Memorabilia_ET&hash=item3a66771eac

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/2010-11-Topps-Gold-Premier-Ashley-Young-Limited-2000-/250827186393?pt=UK_SportsMemorabilia_Football_Memorabilia_ET&hash=item3a667720d9

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/2010-11-Topps-Gold-Premier-Wayne-Rooney-Limited-2000-/250827187099?pt=UK_SportsMemorabilia_Football_Memorabilia_ET&hash=item3a6677239b

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/2010-11-Topps-Gold-Premier-Morten-Pedersen-Limited-2000-/250827188056?pt=UK_SportsMemorabilia_Football_Memorabilia_ET&hash=item3a66772758

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/2010-11-Topps-Gold-Premier-Ben-Foster-Limited-2000-/250827188767?pt=UK_SportsMemorabilia_Football_Memorabilia_ET&hash=item3a66772a1f

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/2010-11-Topps-Gold-Premier-Kenwyne-Jones-Limited-2000-/250827189296?pt=UK_SportsMemorabilia_Football_Memorabilia_ET&hash=item3a66772c30

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/2010-11-Topps-Gold-Premier-Gareth-Bale-Limited-2000-/250827189917?pt=UK_SportsMemorabilia_Football_Memorabilia_ET&hash=item3a66772e9d

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/2010-11-Topps-Gold-Premier-Steven-Gerrard-Limited-2000-/250827190494?pt=UK_SportsMemorabilia_Football_Memorabilia_ET&hash=item3a667730de

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/2010-11-Topps-Gold-Premier-Kevin-Doyle-Limited-2000-/250827191386?pt=UK_SportsMemorabilia_Football_Memorabilia_ET&hash=item3a6677345a

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/2010-11-Topps-Gold-Premier-Carlos-Tevez-Limited-2000-/250827192061?pt=UK_SportsMemorabilia_Football_Memorabilia_ET&hash=item3a667736fd

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/2010-11-Topps-Gold-Premier-Kevin-Nolan-Limited-2000-/250827192461?pt=UK_SportsMemorabilia_Football_Memorabilia_ET&hash=item3a6677388d
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PayPal fees are split into 2 parts, a percentage fee and a fixed fee. The percentage fee is determined by which country you are registered in and how much you receive every month via PayPal.
You are correct with th 2.9% and 20p fixed fee, not sure if Germany is the same but I'm sure the % rises by 1% if an international transaction and I'm also sure they then add an extra 'currency conversion charge' :shrug
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PayPal fees are split into 2 parts, a percentage fee and a fixed fee. The percentage fee is determined by which country you are registered in and how much you receive every month via PayPal.
You are correct with th 2.9% and 20p fixed fee, not sure if Germany is the same but I'm sure the % rises by 1% if an international transaction and I'm also sure they then add an extra 'currency conversion charge' :shrug
I'll do the 2.9% +20p assuming one of us from UK were selling Mark, easier for my brain. thx forgot about the fixed amount also. No wonder I dont sell!! :P
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Great move, but I doubt that it will work a second or third time for these autos.

But the base cards are cashcows!

In germany paypal charges you for currency conversion with a hidden fee, the exchange rates are extremly bad :(((
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A lot of people are reading the thread who are big ebay sellers (dogadug etc...) so will be interesting to see if these guys try it also...
I am inclined to agree Gregory though. The early bird catches the worm in this case for selling them.
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Yep, well done on being the first to take advantage :clap
1st in has set the precedence, but like Andy, I feel this will be a one off and will not be able to be repeated to the same levels.
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I thought about it when they were released but decided against it, original sales will be good but theres a risk of being stuck with cards long term, looking at the sales on the Topps Authentics site they are'nt good but the site has not really been well publicised, once (or if) they do start pushing it then sales on ebay for these cards will drop like a stone until Topps sel out altogether but then it would depend what Topps do, they could just get another batch done.

Fair play to longlongago though, he bit the bullet and made it work.

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Great result for longlongago. Slightly suspicious of the second highest bidder on the autos though with a feedback of only 4 and 100% bid activity with the seller having placed 64 bids......
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Jun 1 2011, 04:46 PM
Great result for longlongago. Slightly suspicious of the second highest bidder on the autos though with a feedback of only 4 and 100% bid activity with the seller having placed 64 bids......
have edited 1st post to show profits...
good spot Ben on the suspicious bidder, very suspicious as well I agree...
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Jun 1 2011, 04:46 PM
Great result for longlongago. Slightly suspicious of the second highest bidder on the autos though with a feedback of only 4 and 100% bid activity with the seller having placed 64 bids......
have edited 1st post to show profits...
good spot Ben on the suspicious bidder, very suspicious as well I agree...
Effort made Andy :1356

Bit indifferent profit-wise but some of them base cards made a killing.

Probably worth doing this once but considering the time and effort needed to list(write descriptions, upload pics etc etc) would not advise anyone to follow suit. B)
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Great result for longlongago. Slightly suspicious of the second highest bidder on the autos though with a feedback of only 4 and 100% bid activity with the seller having placed 64 bids......
have edited 1st post to show profits...
good spot Ben on the suspicious bidder, very suspicious as well I agree...
Effort made Andy :1356

Bit indifferent profit-wise but some of them base cards made a killing.

Probably worth doing this once but considering the time and effort needed to list(write descriptions, upload pics etc etc) would not advise anyone to follow suit. B)
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Great result for longlongago. Slightly suspicious of the second highest bidder on the autos though with a feedback of only 4 and 100% bid activity with the seller having placed 64 bids......
have edited 1st post to show profits...
good spot Ben on the suspicious bidder, very suspicious as well I agree...
Effort made Andy :1356

Bit indifferent profit-wise but some of them base cards made a killing.

Probably worth doing this once but considering the time and effort needed to list(write descriptions, upload pics etc etc) would not advise anyone to follow suit. B)
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That is a nice bit of profit there.

Is that lonlongago_08 on FCF?
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It seems the 3 autos all sold to the same person located in UK.
Pretty strange to me and guess he's not a member of the FCF.
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http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Topps-Ryan-Giggs-Auto-Limited-Edition-105-/300563655594?pt=US_Soccer_Trading_Cards&hash=item45fafd6baa

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Jun 1 2011, 04:46 PM
Great result for longlongago. Slightly suspicious of the second highest bidder on the autos though with a feedback of only 4 and 100% bid activity with the seller having placed 64 bids......
Thats an interesting piece of info!

there was one bidder on all 3 of his Auto auctions placing bids up to exactly 80gbp.

This low feedback buyer had 65 bids in his ebay history, 100% to auction of longago08

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Items bid on: 42
Bid activity (%) with this seller: 100%
Bid retractions: 0
Bid retractions (6 months): 0

Of course this it not a prove, but to me this smells liks shill bidding.

And shill bidding is extremly unfair. personally I will avoid all people who are doing it. Does anybody have more experience in such cases?
How can we find out if he really was pushing his own auctions to a "safe price" like 80gbp?
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Looks like those auctions were definitely shilled but I don't think there's a way to definitively prove it. As far as I can tell ebay doesn't do much to stop shill bidding for cards, seems it's in their interest to have items sell for higher prices, more fees for them to collect.
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guys just quickly looking at this, as a quick question????? each ryan giggs is numbered they are only 105 auto ed and the current one is number 8 were all the others numebr 8's ?????
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Cool cards, i want to get one!
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the quality and design of the cards are very good.
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Surprise, surprise - a certain bidder has caused these auction prices to shoot up. Still has 100% bid activity and notably hasn't bid on any of the other Authentics autos that have appeared on eBay.

Shill bidding is very poor form.
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