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| ashleyyoungFTW | Apr 12 2013, 02:04 PM Post #1 |
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Just seen the topic was deleted, but I'll post all the comparisons that prove the signatures are fakes in a second if people will still find them informative? |
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| Phild | Apr 12 2013, 02:05 PM Post #2 |
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Topic hasn't been deleted, its just been moved for a while on Tollymans request as he is unable to post at the moment so can folk leave it for now please as its just going round and round, the truth will out as they say.
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| ashleyyoungFTW | Apr 12 2013, 02:09 PM Post #3 |
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Fair enough, although I don't see what relevance it holds that he is unable to post? I was not posting nonsense and I feel it's almost a cover-up that it's being hidden. I see the point about going round and round but my friend and I were more or less adding guides as we made them, as it takes a while and didn't want to make a huge post with it all at once. Perhaps it's best to lock it instead so that the warning to keep an eye out is there? |
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| Tollyman | Apr 12 2013, 02:27 PM Post #4 |
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As per my PM to you, I have limited access to the internet at the moment (posting by mobile phone). Futera are sending pictures of some signings. Meanwhile the debate is very one sided and potentially libelous (you are making statements not opinions). I will post Futera's pictures later and then I hope to move the threads back into a public area and members can decide for themselves. No cover up I can assure you! |
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| Cjchelsea | Apr 12 2013, 02:33 PM Post #5 |
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Cheers Tollyman! Looking forward to the pictures now Just to see where the players were signing them
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| ashleyyoungFTW | Apr 12 2013, 02:34 PM Post #6 |
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I don't believe I was making statements, and as the topic has been moved I have no way to defend myself. |
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| authenticautographcollector | Apr 12 2013, 02:34 PM Post #7 |
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how can players autographs change that badly is beyond me, think a few questions will be asked to the footballers themselves... |
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| rishgoon | Apr 12 2013, 02:38 PM Post #8 |
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I've contacted a football club who is in the process of checking with some players if they indeed signed 50+ Futera cards (I provided pictures). The signatures didn't match what the club had on file, so will be interesting what the players say. |
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| jayce101 | Apr 12 2013, 03:18 PM Post #9 |
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its very easy when I was working as a stock controller I had to sign paperwork at leat 20=50 times a day believe me my signature never looked the same, even worse when you are in a hurry |
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| Weing Chiong | Apr 12 2013, 03:29 PM Post #10 |
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I have a photograph of tim howard signing a futera auto card. not sure how to upload pictures here..
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| Cjchelsea | Apr 12 2013, 03:32 PM Post #11 |
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Really good post Jayce. Players will not give their best auto 55 times.. Therefore give rushed ones! |
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| ashleyyoungFTW | Apr 12 2013, 03:35 PM Post #12 |
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Understandable, but rushed ones are generally consistent even so. It may well be that contamination has somehow happened, as I doubt a big company would do this sort of thing, but whatever the case I do not believe those signatures to be genuine. |
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| Cjchelsea | Apr 12 2013, 03:37 PM Post #13 |
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Everyone has their own view, lets just wait for the pictures for the conclusion! I hope they are real
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| MatchAttaxCam | Apr 12 2013, 03:41 PM Post #14 |
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Ok this might be totally irrelevant to this topic, but if anyone was at the Topps swap and play tour at Wembley and got Arteta's autograph, just look on Google Images, for example, and see how many very different autographs he seems to have, its weird |
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| ashleyyoungFTW | Apr 12 2013, 03:44 PM Post #15 |
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Arteta seems to be a bit of an oddball when it comes to autographs, whilst other players are consistent he seems to vary all the time. The six I got at the event were pretty consistent but what I got last season was completely different. I'd be very interested to see what you got out of him too to see if he's finally got a standard autograph. |
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| MatchAttaxCam | Apr 12 2013, 03:58 PM Post #16 |
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oh ok fair enough haha, it was really odd though when i searched his autograph into google and loads of them looked very different
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| inyaface | Apr 12 2013, 04:58 PM Post #17 |
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Arteta(s) are really triplets! I collect many other autos in different sports, for example Jordan does at least 1000 autographs for one company alone in a year or two, but they look tip top and it is actually a long autograph.They even started to have "personalized" autographs inserts making it a true 1/1, where the players will make a more elaborate autograph, write a short (usually 1-3 words) message, some even draws on them. but generally they are so trusted they even made links where you can see your actual card being signed based on the unique link on the card and they even advertised a pen link to players DNA (not sure it was a tongue in cheek ad, or real). |
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| inyaface | Apr 12 2013, 05:05 PM Post #18 |
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Oh, and I think my other post disappeared with ashley's thread. I was basically saying I've worked with quite a number of stars, and they get requests all the time for auto and other memorabilia. Many times the horrible autos I see is because they are multitasking, the worst one I personally witness was signing while an assistant is holding up a pic, while he was eating with the other hand, while his head was holding his mobile phone and talking. But, many times they will be some that really care, and normally an assistant will bring up truly interesting ones, that they normally actually read/see (if its a little children drawing or something). |
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| nicolasharris | Apr 12 2013, 05:05 PM Post #19 |
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I have been collecting autographs for years, the Futera autos are good. If you wanted to do fakes you would have a different checklist to the one they do. Avoid the Sellotape Topps autos, no long term value there. Would you buy a painting with the autograph taped to it. |
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| Tollyman | Apr 12 2013, 07:16 PM Post #20 |
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Futera has supplied photo's as proof for some cards.. http://s13.zetaboards.com/Football_Cards/topic/7042884/1/#new |
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| ashleyyoungFTW | Apr 12 2013, 07:32 PM Post #21 |
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As posted in the other thread, those photos match up with authentics. The ones from before unfortunately do not. Quite possibly there has been tampering or other people faking the cards as well as autographs, as the ones posted earlier were very obvious fakes. |
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| futera2012 | Apr 13 2013, 02:58 PM Post #22 |
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| Futbol_Cards | Apr 13 2013, 09:23 PM Post #23 |
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Just wanted to comment on the autograph pictures Futera provided for the forum. I think those pics show that SOME of their autos are in fact authentic but then there's still the problem of the many other problem autos out there, inconsistent, unrecognizable, sloppy, signatures, etc. Also another thing, maybe Tollyman can ask a Futera representative: Why do Futera not guarantee that their autographs are authentic? Other manufacturers such as Panini, Topps and Upper Deck usually provide a statement on the back of their autograph cards that the signature on the front is guaranteed to be authentic. Why not Futera? |
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| nicolasharris | Apr 14 2013, 05:13 AM Post #24 |
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Here we go again. If you want consistent autographs on a card then you buy those cards that have Sellotaped signatures added to the card (Topps). If you want on-card autographs then you are going to get inconsistent autographs (how autographs are naturally). I do not buy sellotaped autographs on card, there is no long term value here (Topps), just as sellotaping an autograph to a painting to say it is signed will not provide value. I have looked closely at Futera autographs, they are genuine and I have put my money where my mouth is. In my research on fakes, and if you are concerned about fakes then articles like this about Authentics (Topps) are a must read, and there is plenty more http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/i-team/fraud-sports-memorabilia-dealer-bradley-wells-tells-fbi-prominent-card-companies-knew-jerseys-fakes-article-1.1159317 are must reads, I cannot find anything on Futera, like this, and they have been around for 20 -30 years. Think this subject has been exhausted here, perhaps move it to a Topps thread. |
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| SlimShady(srb) | Apr 14 2013, 07:20 AM Post #25 |
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Oh dear, nicolasharris you really are talking nonsense. Futera has not produced jersey or memorabilia cards that is why they are not on the list. And this happened in USA, again IN USA. The article you are spreading around forum is out of date now. The guy is in jail. These companies now take care of their dealers. So stop spamming forum with same link over and over, before you ever read it. Edited by SlimShady(srb), Apr 14 2013, 07:23 AM.
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| hattersfan | Apr 14 2013, 07:56 AM Post #26 |
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| nicolasharris | Apr 14 2013, 08:20 AM Post #27 |
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The New York Newspaper article, talking about Topps, is not nonsence, a company that knowingly involves in fraud should not be considered lightly. Futera do produce memorabilia cards which have been traded for years so your statement is incorrect.Look on eBay. When I looked at what autos to collect I found that quality control was the biggest problem with companies most likely because they are so big. http://www.cardboardconnection.com/collectors-stamp-out-controversy-devante-smith-pelly-stamp-autographs They do not necessarily witness their autographs and stamped copies from respected publishers like topps have been released and the behaviour of a company in one country needs to be considered for all. |
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| KarlHungus | Apr 14 2013, 09:28 AM Post #28 |
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I think the discussion is going a little in the wrong direction at the moment. Some people feel attacked because others doubt the product they are spending money on. That is not necessary. Personally I don't think that Futera is knowingly selling fake autograph cards today. I am convinced that hey have sold fake autographs in the past, because of how they acquired their autographs (using (an) autograph dealers). I don't say that they knew they were selling fake autographs, but at least they were not able to distinguish genuine from fake autographs which made them issue autographs which were questionable. Futera has learned from that mistake. I believe they had no choice if they wanted to keep providing quality products. Now they are using their own man/men to acquire the autographs straight from the players. The problem with this way is that many cards are signed in a rush and that they differ a lot from the player's normal autograph and/or that the various autographs on Futera cards look quite different. Therefore it is normal that some autographs are questioned. That is the price Futera pays for using a cheap way to acquire their autographs. As long as they don't spend more money on their acquisition, for example by organizing signing sessions, their products will always be surrounded by doubt. Obviously Futera knows all this, and Futera also knows that a few pictures of players signing Futera cards cannot proof the authenticity of every card. But as a collector, you should also understand this. The people on this forum pointing out these issues are not here to attack you as a collector who buys fake products. But it is necessary that we stay critical towards the companies who want our money and I am sure the comments made here concerning Futera Unique 2013 will make the next Futera products better and even more enjoyable for every collector. I understand that it leaves a bad taste in your mouth when some people are questioning the product you have spend a lot of money on, but I also think it is better if everyone is aware of the controversy. It doesn't help anyone further to proclaim that all Futera autographs are fake, nor to proclaim that there shouldn't be any doubt. I hope people will use the opinions and information here to make a personal choice if and how much money they want to spend on this product. There is no need for emotional and polarized posts which don't add anything to the discussion. |
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| ashleyyoungFTW | Apr 14 2013, 12:43 PM Post #29 |
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People don't realise that autographs don't vary THAT much. Of course they vary a bit but why would Cech change his signature to something completely different for one day of his life? I don't even understand what you mean about sellotaped autographs either? All the autographs I posted in comparisons were actual signatures on the cards. |
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| ashleyyoungFTW | Apr 14 2013, 12:47 PM Post #30 |
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I'll leave these here for people to make their own minds up about though; but no doubt kids who don't understand autographs will still say it means nothing (but it provides autograph forums with a good laugh anyway). Everything except the Futera cards were obtained by me (or friends) over several years, showing consistency in autographs.![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() I've seen authentic Futera cards too - the ones where the signatures match known examples. Otherwise I can't help feeling there's something still fishy about the ones posted on here recently. Perhaps the poster bought from a different seller who was actually selling fake cards, or he might have been lying about buying from Futera? Of course those photos show that there are real ones. I'm not doubting Futera. I'm doubting the cards posted earlier. Edited by ashleyyoungFTW, Apr 14 2013, 12:48 PM.
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| nicolasharris | Apr 14 2013, 01:10 PM Post #31 |
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Ashley, you have already been proved a fraud with your allegations. Futera issued photo signings of cards that you said were fake, you were caught out. You are an Authentics person, a brand (Topps) that has in a Court of Law, knowingly engaged in Fraud. This came up only a few months ago. http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/i-team/fraud-sports-memorabilia-dealer-bradley-wells-tells-fbi-prominent-card-companies-knew-jerseys-fakes-article-1.1159317 I cannot find anything on Futera, and I have looked hard, they have been around for 20 -30 years, they come up squeaky clean, NOT something that can be said about Topps Everybody, stick to the facts and stop insulting us collectors that buy the genuine item. Topps standards of posting cards out to players and in some cases getting back rubber stamped autos will never meet my standards. http://www.cardboardconnection.com/collectors-stamp-out-controversy-devante-smith-pelly-stamp-autographs |
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| Tollyman | Apr 14 2013, 04:24 PM Post #32 |
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Careful Nicolas, are you sure? I believe the convicted fraudster alledged that Topps knew they were buying fakes to pass on as real but he was on trial and convicted NOT Topps. You might want to edit this unless you have other evidence. Edited by Tollyman, Apr 14 2013, 08:00 PM.
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| SlimShady(srb) | Apr 14 2013, 04:27 PM Post #33 |
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I do not want to be rude but nicolasharris you are really talking things that you know nothing about, from your posts I see your experience in collecting is very very low as well as knowledge about cards and stuff. You are making serious accusations without a single proof. You read one article, that you keep linking to the forum ,and you think you know everything about fake autographs and memorabilia. Edited by SlimShady(srb), Apr 14 2013, 04:28 PM.
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| ashleyyoungFTW | Apr 14 2013, 04:29 PM Post #34 |
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Likewise, you might want to edit to remove allegations that I'm a fraudster. Futera posting those photos proves NOTHING about the photos I posted. You have no idea how little you know about autographs or how much autograph forums are laughing at you right now. You also want to learn to read - I'm not using Topps' own cards and I don't understand how Topps having anything to do with fakes impacts cards I got signed myself in any way. I don't give two damns about Topps' own authenticity and I make no reference to them. All I'm saying is the photos in my comparison photos show the cards posted on Friday are definitely fake. Stop embarrassing yourself Nicholas and stop talking nonsense before you become even more of a fool. |
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| ashleyyoungFTW | Apr 14 2013, 04:32 PM Post #35 |
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For reference, I've posted the comparison photos so that anyone who knows even a little about autographs can conclude the dubious authenticity and little kids like Nicholas can please themselves that there's no sellotape on them, or whatever his latest crazy theory is on authenticity. |
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| Tollyman | Apr 14 2013, 04:48 PM Post #36 |
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No proof at all, have you signed statements from the players in question that they definitely did not sign the cards? They look different but as stated before there are many reasons why this may be. Why are you banging on about this? Trying to impress your mates on another forum by the sounds of it. You have made your accusations perfectly clear, please leave it now we know your thoughts. Thread closed. |
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Just to see where the players were signing them 

I collect many other autos in different sports, for example Jordan does at least 1000 autographs for one company alone in a year or two, but they look tip top and it is actually a long autograph.





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