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Some members have doubted whether the autographs on Futera Unique 2013 cards shown in member box breaks are genuine.

While we don't have video footage of each and every card being signed FCF have been given 3 photo's of their cards being signed (or being shown by the players). Joe Hart and Seamus Coleman were both listed as fakes (just as Tim Howard was last year and Futera provided pictures). Here are Photo's of them with the cards they have signed.

Having spoken many times to Futera's CEO and Development Director I cannot believe they would have anything to do with faking cards, they are very passionate about their collections and it's the last thing I think they would do. Futera have for several years employees (man with blurred out face in Hart photo below) who get the autographs and DO NOT USE AGENCIES.

At the end of the day it is your own decision to make but Futera have for the second time shown reasonable proof their Auto's are genuine when members have insisted they are fakes. Make up your own minds........

Seamus Coleman....

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and to show they sometimes need to make several requests (why not just copy the ones you have!)

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Ty so much Tollymann and ty so much to Futera ( which are the best anyway )

I made my box break posts having so much fun today and this donk ( sorry ) came and wrote down his fake-theory of futera cards.

I love those, i have always done and i will always do - we dont need peole like those in such a forum.

But i would like to know what he says now ;-)
If you read this - lookl at Hart sitting in his car - he is holding MY AUTO in his hand.

Now i am laughing about you!!!
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Still does not reveal facts about all "suspicious" autographs. But thanks to Tollyman and Futera for this,its a good start.
You people must understand we are not haters at all.. We are just asking normal questions like any consumer would do!
If I think the milk is not tested and good, I am not going to buy it, same goes for cards! I understand Futera is sponsor of this site, and that it is important that members do not turn back on it...
I am not against Futera or anyone, but there facts are facts.
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This confirms something I suspected.

You can just about see the signatures in the Coleman/second Hart photos. These match up with authentics. No problem.

The autographs listed earlier today were still completely different to those. This makes me suspect there's been tampering and fakes have ended up going out as well somehow.

My opinion remains the same, that the photos listed earlier were fakes. Not comments on the cards in general, but on the photos posted earlier.
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Knew they were real, no way would a brand like futera product fakes..

Nice pics tollyman thanks for taking the time to get them!

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As posted a minute ago, this seems to imply that the earlier thread showed images of cards which I assume were not genuine Futera cards then. The signatures in the other lot were completely different. I'm not doubting Futera as a company but merely those cards as individual items.

The Joe Hart in the image above matches up with every authentic I've ever seen from Hart, but the one below does not bear any resemblance,
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Those above are all real
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Seems very strange, unless there was tampering en-route as those cards are, as far as I can tell, bad fakes.

The Joe Hart doesn't match the signature in Futera's own photo!
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none of them above are real at all, futera didn't even hold a private signing session with a player signing various cards at once, this could have easily be one signed card for someone who has no relation to the company at all. Hart always adds an x after the J he signs, which isn't above in the photo of the fake cards. I believe that futera have more to hide and these are indeed forgeries.
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Apr 12 2013, 07:45 PM
Seems very strange, unless there was tampering en-route as those cards are, as far as I can tell, bad fakes.

The Joe Hart doesn't match the signature in Futera's own photo!
Are you that stupid?
Do you really think that every one of your signatures always look the same?

Have you ever sit in a car making an autograph? Do you think that one would EXACTLY look the same as one you mad when sitting at home on a desk making a signature?

I think you wont understand it - and tell me smth.

You wouldnt touch the Futera cards or spent money for it - we all know as you wrote it down here 1000times today.

So why the hell are you in here and look at the things we do??
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Apr 12 2013, 07:09 PM
Ty so much Tollymann and ty so much to Futera ( which are the best anyway )

I made my box break posts having so much fun today and this donk ( sorry ) came and wrote down his fake-theory of futera cards.

I love those, i have always done and i will always do - we dont need peole like those in such a forum.

But i would like to know what he says now ;-)
If you read this - lookl at Hart sitting in his car - he is holding MY AUTO in his hand.

Now i am laughing about you!!!
Yeah mate that's not your card in that photo. That photo has him with his normal autograph - with a top to the J and an x after it. Unless you got another one which you didn't post he's not holding your autograph.
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You see on the Futera Pics that the Players sigend the cards by the way to home or to training. So they dont take the time for a good Auto on every card.
Im collecting much NBA Cards. There the Players have a contract with Topps,Panini or Upper Deck. They sigend the Cards for a lot of money in signing sessions.
Where they are relaxed on a table with the same pen.
Here they sigend very fast. One time with a big pen , on time with a small pen. So its hard to make the Auto like u see on other Items or cards.
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Apr 12 2013, 07:48 PM
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Seems very strange, unless there was tampering en-route as those cards are, as far as I can tell, bad fakes.

The Joe Hart doesn't match the signature in Futera's own photo!
Are you that stupid?
Do you really think that every one of your signatures always look the same?

Have you ever sit in a car making an autograph? Do you think that one would EXACTLY look the same as one you mad when sitting at home on a desk making a signature?

I think you wont understand it - and tell me smth.

You wouldnt touch the Futera cards or spent money for it - we all know as you wrote it down here 1000times today.

So why the hell are you in here and look at the things we do??
No, not all autographs are the same, but they have the same features. Features like the x after the J, the top to the J, and many other little things. I've seen dozens of Joe Hart autographs and they always have these features, as a signature you've been signing for years doesn't suddenly change. These guys are professionals and get asked for autographs all the time, and as a result they've got it down to a consistent signature that won't fluctuate THAT much.

I know several autograph experts and some of the most reputable dealers in the country, who will undoubtedly know more than you, somebody who will deny constantly to believe their card is real. I don't think these people I know will have got to the top of their game if they didn't realise signatures vary slightly.

As stated previously, this may be completely independent of Futera, but there's something which has happened further down the line (for all we know, somebody might have done something as dramatic as hijacking a delivery and putting fakes in, no matter how ridiculous it sounds).

I'm in this forum to try and help people out. You can either spend a lot of money on fakes (cards go on eBay for nearly £1,000 which come from dubious eBay sellers which have been suggested aren't even official cards) or save your money and go for authentics.
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Apr 12 2013, 07:09 PM
Ty so much Tollymann and ty so much to Futera ( which are the best anyway )

I made my box break posts having so much fun today and this donk ( sorry ) came and wrote down his fake-theory of futera cards.

I love those, i have always done and i will always do - we dont need peole like those in such a forum.

But i would like to know what he says now ;-)
If you read this - lookl at Hart sitting in his car - he is holding MY AUTO in his hand.

Now i am laughing about you!!!
Yeah mate that's not your card in that photo. That photo has him with his normal autograph - with a top to the J and an x after it. Unless you got another one which you didn't post he's not holding your autograph.
So all of us who bought Futera Unique 2013 have fake cards.

Damn you should call the police!
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Apr 12 2013, 07:53 PM
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Apr 12 2013, 07:48 PM
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Apr 12 2013, 07:45 PM
Seems very strange, unless there was tampering en-route as those cards are, as far as I can tell, bad fakes.

The Joe Hart doesn't match the signature in Futera's own photo!
Are you that stupid?
Do you really think that every one of your signatures always look the same?

Have you ever sit in a car making an autograph? Do you think that one would EXACTLY look the same as one you mad when sitting at home on a desk making a signature?

I think you wont understand it - and tell me smth.

You wouldnt touch the Futera cards or spent money for it - we all know as you wrote it down here 1000times today.

So why the hell are you in here and look at the things we do??
No, not all autographs are the same, but they have the same features. Features like the x after the J, the top to the J, and many other little things. I've seen dozens of Joe Hart autographs and they always have these features, as a signature you've been signing for years doesn't suddenly change. These guys are professionals and get asked for autographs all the time, and as a result they've got it down to a consistent signature that won't fluctuate THAT much.

I know several autograph experts and some of the most reputable dealers in the country, who will undoubtedly know more than you, somebody who will deny constantly to believe their card is real. I don't think these people I know will have got to the top of their game if they didn't realise signatures vary slightly.

As stated previously, this may be completely independent of Futera, but there's something which has happened further down the line (for all we know, somebody might have done something as dramatic as hijacking a delivery and putting fakes in, no matter how ridiculous it sounds).

I'm in this forum to try and help people out. You can either spend a lot of money on fakes (cards go on eBay for nearly £1,000 which come from dubious eBay sellers which have been suggested aren't even official cards) or save your money and go for authentics.
Ok - cool.

So we spent our money for Fakes and you spent yours for the Real Authentic ones - deal?
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He is actually bringing facts and proofs. You are being quite rude.
If you just can not accept the fact that your "precious toys" can be fake, then you really are not collector for long time. But no need to make tension.
In my opinion, you should stop insulting and talk with proofs. I am not on anyone´s side, but to be honest Ashley is talking with proofs, and you are just talking toO subjective without facts.
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From the 6 Autos only the Jo Hart looks strange. The Hart looks like the edding dont work correct. The other ones looks good.
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@BVB
He is actually bringing facts and proofs. You are being quite rude.
If you just can not accept the fact that your "precious toys" can be fake, then you really are not collector for long time. But no need to make tension.
In my opinion, you should stop insulting and talk with proofs. I am not on anyone´s side, but to be honest Ashley is talking with proofs, and you are just talking toO subjective without facts.
He can day what he wants ... sure.

As i said let people like us - who made those box breaks with photos here - have our fun , post it.

If you think it helps yourself and makes your ego bigger if you play the big teacher here do so!
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Apr 12 2013, 07:57 PM
From the 6 Autos only the Jo Hart looks strange. The Hart looks like the edding dont work correct. The other ones looks good.
Quite a few on that image look strange - I posted comparisons earlier. The Lampard on there was the first one to scream out to me.

@BVB - not saying everyone who bought them got fakes. Certainly that image shows there are authentics out there but I'd be wondering about a certain shipment perhaps?
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Apr 12 2013, 07:57 PM
From the 6 Autos only the Jo Hart looks strange. The Hart looks like the edding dont work correct. The other ones looks good.
Quite a few on that image look strange - I posted comparisons earlier. The Lampard on there was the first one to scream out to me.

@BVB - not saying everyone who bought them got fakes. Certainly that image shows there are authentics out there but I'd be wondering about a certain shipment perhaps?
It is ok Ashley.

I know your goona stay with your version as you got all those proofs and know the players.....

BUT - as jobogel said correct :
Not every signature looks always the same. And sure they got their features but i got my features too and sometimes my signature doenst look as it did any time before.
As i said before - NO ONE in the world can alywas make the same signature in so many different moments he is asked to make one.

SOmetimes it has that x - sometimes it does not have.
Sometimes u use a BIG edding to sign - sometimes a small. Sometimes a white. Sometimes a black.
Sometimes it doesnt work fine - sometimes the pen is ok...

So many determinats which are crucial for the single Auto.

So stay with your version but please let us stay with our version.
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Some members have doubted whether the autographs on Futera Unique 2013 cards shown in member box breaks are genuine.

While we don't have video footage of each and every card being signed FCF have been given 3 photo's of their cards being signed (or being shown by the players). Joe Hart and Seamus Coleman were both listed as fakes (just as Tim Howard was last year and Futera provided pictures). Here are Photo's of them with the cards they have signed.

Having spoken many times to Futera's CEO and Development Director I cannot believe they would have anything to do with faking cards, they are very passionate about their collections and it's the last thing I think they would do. Futera have for several years employees (man with blurred out face in Hart photo below) who get the autographs and DO NOT USE AGENCIES.

At the end of the day it is your own decision to make but Futera have for the second time shown reasonable proof their Auto's are genuine when members have insisted they are fakes. Make up your own minds........

Seamus Coleman....

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and to show they sometimes need to make several requests (why not just copy the ones you have!)

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Thanks to Gwyneth Glascodine (Futera CEO) & Mark Watson (Development Director) at Futera for taking the time to send the photos in response to members concerns
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As a copper friend of mine said, follow the footprint. Futera autos, generally, originate from UK, follow a pattern of originality...any long time autograph collector can clearly see they are genuine. Let's not allow the haters amongst us ruin the enjoyment we get from collecting original on card autographs.
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I think people are being a bit disrespectful for people who have paid £225+ for these cards by taking their photo's and saying they are fake, especially now we have proof from Futera themselves.
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As a copper friend of mine said, follow the footprint. Futera autos, generally, originate from UK, follow a pattern of originality...any long time autograph collector can clearly see they are genuine. Let's not allow the haters amongst us ruin the enjoyment we get from collecting original on card autographs.
Great Post - could have been my words.
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I think people are being a bit disrespectful for people who have paid £225+ for these cards by taking their photo's and saying they are fake, especially now we have proof from Futera themselves.
You know what Chelsea.
In the end i dont care what they say.

I spent the money, because i love the Futera Products, i always did and i always will.
Let them speak and spent their money for their authentics :rofl

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I'm not a hater, and I believe it's more disrespectful to not point it out and allow more money to be wasted. I still say that EVERY signature Hart signs has an X even if it's very rushed. Whilst no signatures are the same there are consistent features.

It can never be proven either way but I'm going to maintain that the images posted earlier on today are definitely fake. Futera obviously have some authentics as the photos show but they're not going to deviate that much. Perhaps some posts from Futera themselves on how they actually obtain the autographs might clarify things.
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Not a hater either, if I was in your place I would be grateful to ashleyyoungFTW, this way I would see if I am the donkey spending insane amount on product that might appear as fake ( again not all the cards are fake of course, but you must be big headed guy if you claim that all are authentic either!) Futera is doing good job in marketing and quality. Next step should be better control ,and they will be on top for sure. I will say once again ,if there were more publishers, it would be better.
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I understand both sides here.

I think you have to remember that these cards are being signed as players leave training etc, they're already thinking about what they're having for tea, not about how Futera collectors will analyse their signatures on internet forums. They've probably never heard of futera, any scribble will do.

But then I do get the people saying they want to be 100% sure as they are very expensive cards.

Short of videoing everything its impossible to prove their authenticity, but fair play to Futera for providing these photos.
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I don't think a signature is worth any more or less, if that autograph occurs when a footballer is thinking about what he will have for tea, when will this signing session end ............or if he is standing, sitting, talking or whatever, when the signing session takes place.
What is important, is, it is his signature and we are capturing that moment in time for us to enjoy.
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I don't think a signature is worth any more or less, if that autograph occurs when a footballer is thinking about what he will have for tea, when will this signing session end ............or if he is standing, sitting, talking or whatever, when the signing session takes place.
What is important, is, it is his signature and we are capturing that moment in time for us to enjoy.
yeah wasn't saying that, just meant that may be a reason why the autographs don't match
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This argument will go on forever and I believe the topic should be locked before it just becomes a slanging match.
Some people will just never be happy, they wanted proof that futera actually get the players to sign the cards, the pictures are there but still dont want to believe (thats their option). Others will defend the authenticity until they are blue in the face (again their option).
However the one thing you cannot say is that they are fake without actual proof to back this up. It is a very grey area however I believe that a large company would be able to distribute all these cards for so many years without having to prove they are real, anyone heard of trading standards before?




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Apr 13 2013, 08:52 AM
This argument will go on forever and I believe the topic should be locked before it just becomes a slanging match.
Some people will just never be happy, they wanted proof that futera actually get the players to sign the cards, the pictures are there but still dont want to believe (thats their option). Others will defend the authenticity until they are blue in the face (again their option).
However the one thing you cannot say is that they are fake without actual proof to back this up. It is a very grey area however I believe that a large company would be able to distribute all these cards for so many years without having to prove they are real, anyone heard of trading standards before?
Actually this thing happened before, in USA few years ago there was big issue, when the company who obtained jerseys and autos for Panini,Topps and even Upper Deck admitted he faked jerseys and also autos, and that companies knew about this. I think there was an article on web, but I am not able to find it. If anyone from USA can find it ,post it please.

This post has nothing to do with FUTERA though!
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Here it is http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/i-team/fraud-sports-memorabilia-dealer-bradley-wells-tells-fbi-prominent-card-companies-knew-jerseys-fakes-article-1.1159317#ixzz26PY76I5x

Again, Futera was not involved here since they were not selling in USA at that time, but I am just saying there is always doubt!

Few more things before all of you start telling same thing over and over :

1) I have nothing against Futera, I just think they need to improve. Their cards are nice, but for the money they ask, they must have better standards and control.
2) Nobody said that Futera is faking on purpose ,they just lack good control. Their marketing is awesome, if they fix this major problem, I see them as a leading card manufacturer.
3) Nobody here told you not to buy Futera, we are just stressing some problems, and making you aware that you need to be careful, ESPECIALLY ON EBAY!
4) This is just hobby and my intention was not to ruin it for you guys. But you must know that hobby has became business long time ago!!! One more thing, the people saying autos are authentic, never showed proofs either, where as AshleyYoungftw showed his concerns. From his posts, you should see he is expert in autos. I am not expert, but even blind man would see there are problems.

Enjoy your hobby guys, just be aware sometimes. My last post about this.
Edited by SlimShady(srb), Apr 13 2013, 10:16 AM.
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jayce101
Apr 13 2013, 08:52 AM
This argument will go on forever and I believe the topic should be locked before it just becomes a slanging match.
Some people will just never be happy, they wanted proof that futera actually get the players to sign the cards, the pictures are there but still dont want to believe (thats their option). Others will defend the authenticity until they are blue in the face (again their option).
However the one thing you cannot say is that they are fake without actual proof to back this up. It is a very grey area however I believe that a large company would be able to distribute all these cards for so many years without having to prove they are real, anyone heard of trading standards before?
Very sensible post, everyone has had their say.

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